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Originally Posted by PlsNoBan
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What the fuck data do you want? Someone posted a parse and you made 15 posts about how its wrong and they need to redo it and say how many times they nuked and how much mana it costs or some shit. Contrary to what you seem to believe I do not possess a lvl 60 mage. The highest I ever got a mage on P99 is like 8. I have no particular love for the class. I actually mained a shaman as you know on P99 and I enjoy the class way more than mage. Yet somehow I'm able to acknowledge that in this hypothetical 4 caster group a shaman isn't the ideal choice. I have ungodly thousands of hours worth of time spent playing this game and know it as good or better than most. What I and almost everyone else knows for a fact is that a mage will out damage a shaman over an extended period of time in an average xp group 99.999% of the time. If you want to keep clinging on to your fucking asinine claim that you can do as much/more damage by root rotting 4 mobs permanently in your xp groups all the time then so be it dude. It takes about 6 brain cells to understand how fucking dumb and unrealistic that is. But if that's the hill you want to die on be my guest.
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What do you mean what do I want? I just want basic DPS and mana usage data from a 60 Mage lol. It's really not a big ask, and doesn't take long. It's REALLY easy to math out which class has better average DPS. Let me know which mob(s) you are fighting so I can fight the same ones on my Shaman, so we get equivalent data based on the difficulty of the mob.
People keep arguing that Mages are good in a group because of Malo + Pet Tanking + DPS. A Shaman can provide all three of those, plus extra. If a Mage's DPS is lower than what people assume, then there really is no reason to pick Mage over Shaman unless you need CoTH support. You did read the title of the thread, yes? We are discussing which classes would be better in this group.
I can't prove your "thousands of hours" of playtime, so it's not a valid data point. I am sorry, but you can be wrong and play thousands of hours simultaneously.
I showed I can do 107 DPS when DoTing just two mobs, so the 4 mobs isn't necessary.
According to Troxx's data a Shaman can out DPS a Mage when DoTing two mobs. He didn't mention how often he can do 40 DPS via nuking due to mana usage, so his average may even be lower. If Troxx (the provider of the data) says the data isn't correct, then provide better data. I am not sure why this is hard.
I will happily admit I am wrong if the data shows otherwise.
Also, please remember I am talking about level 60s. Mages are indeed better than Shamans at lower levels because a Shaman without Epic/Torpor is going to be doing a lot less DPS. I have never said otherwise hehe, you can check the post history.