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Originally Posted by Danth
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Well, you brought up bad duos as soon as you mentioned magician and duo in the same sentence. Debating rogue vs. magician in a duo setting is very much a P99 cripple fight. They both suck at it. Magician probably sucks a little less unless you want to get into a Kunark dungeon. Still...mage/enchanter? Friends aside, in what world is that enchanter going to want a magician over a cleric, paladin, necromancer, druid, or even shaman? Sure a rogue's worse--an outright liability--but still, it's a P99 cripple fight.
In spite of the above I also rank magician as a little higher than rogue for overall power. They both are useful in raids, they get groups more or less equally, they both suck for duo stuff, but the magician has moderate solo capability while the rogue has almost none. The fact that the rogue's helplessness when solo is so well-known nobody tries to do it does not make that limitation disappear from my overall assessment of the character any more than hybrids' notorious weakness in raids should be ignored in overall rankings. Such limitations can be ignored at an individual level--a rogue being bad for solo wouldn't matter for an individual player who only wants to group--but not in an overall sense.
Danth
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Lol I agree with most of this. The only thing I disagree with is trying to rate Rogues based on their solo ability, as they are one of the few classes in the game that are really meant to be group dependent. Everybody who makes a Rogue knows they can't solo, and yet more Rogues tend to be played than Mages. That is what typically makes me rate Rogues higher than Mages. Unless everybody is playing the game wrong, Rogues still seem preferable over Mages, even with their lower solo capabilities.
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Originally Posted by Crede
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Sorry, rogues just aren't that great.
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I am not arguing that Rogues are amazing. They are simply better than Mages when looking at "most underpowered class".
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Originally Posted by Crede
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An enchanter/rogue duo isn't even remotely close to what an enchanter/mage can do. Not even close, the rogue will just die so fast without heals. And you have to rely on procs to snare to maybe try to pull off some fear kiting shenanigans'. The mage will be giving the enchanter malo which they will greatly appreciate, not to mention a mage will be lettin nukes fly left & right and resummonin pets with endless c2 mana.
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You are vastly overestimating what a Mage is doing here, I am sorry. The Enchanter is doing the work, the Mage is just helping with DPS.