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Originally Posted by Crede
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Here's my synopsis of this thread:
DeathsSilkyMist is notorious for instigating long, drawn out threads typically from a subjective claim that he will say was solved by "math". He will gladly go 500+ pages in a thread to attempt to "win" to get his point across, despite the overwhelming majority disagreeing with him. His presentation is what annoys most people, due to the arrogant connotation that usually comes along with it, even if doesn't specifically mean to do so(or he could be the most well disguised troll on these forums).
His claim to mages being the most underpowered class is basically the reason we all have many alts. There's a better raiding class, there's a better grouping class, there are better solo classes. But when you look at the full scope of the game, a mage is quite good, despite their lack of cc. They can blow through content that can take "utility" classes much longer to do, because of their superior pets, nukes, DS, etc. Sure, you see more rogues in the raid scene, but they were designed for this. That doesn't make them a more powerful class. A Mage overall simply has more areas where they can exert their power. And to me that's what being overpowered/underpowered is all about. How much power does your toolkit give you in every area of the game?
There's no right answer to this thread, it's all subjective, I think most would generally agree it's not a mage though. I think Loraen's class selection guide is a pretty accurate description of average class rating, since he actually considers all aspects of the game, and mage actually falls in the top 5, despite them been supposedly useless at 60 and not caring about what the class was intended for. That's the thing about being overpowered/underpowered. It wasn't necessarily an intention, but it happened anyway.
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Untrue. I never claimed it was objective fact either, since nobody has the data
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The problem is simply people do not stay on topic, and don't like admitting classes they enjoy aren't as good as they think. They also falsely assume "underpowered" = bad. This is wrong.
I know it is an easy excuse to blame things on some imaginary personality flaw of another person, but it simply isn't true. I am sorry you can't make good arguments without attacking people's character.
A Mage's toolkit is limited due to lack of CC. Period. They become worse and worse as you gain higher levels because of this. There is a reason why Shamans and Enchanters are so good at soloing. Utility and CC are a critical part of this game, more-so than DPS. If this wasn't the case, you could power through WW Dragons with pure DPS while soloing. This is why you don't see level 60 Mages that often in the wild. Their lack of CC and Utility catches up to them at high levels, when you can't just power through with DPS (especially since Mage Pet DPS isn't top tier). OP isn't asking "which class can level quickly?". Not everybody simply levels a class and then quits them immediately.
And just because the "majority" disagrees with someone, doesn't mean they are wrong, this is a fallacy.
People getting annoyed is irrelevant. We are here to give people the best information we can so they can play the game properly. If you are providing bad information, that needs to be stopped, so people can get the correct information. Nobody cares if your feelings are hurt because of a discussion on a 22 year old Elf Sim.
EDIT: I'll take back the math part. While I don't believe I invoked it yet in this discussion, you obviously could math this out with the data and statistics on how people play. Every computer application is based on math too. But we don't have the data, so there isn't much we can do on that front.