[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

Here is where you effed up:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

You assumed I was talking shit on democracy (when the forefathers di NOT invent it, they invented our capitalist's economy)

Not to mention, here you very clearly are arguing about having a strong industrial military complex with me, not talking about democracy:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater though: you can't say "well Bush got us into an unnecessary war, wasting hundreds of American lives and trillions of dollars of American taxpayer money ... therefore we shouldn't have a military or defend ourselves." The answer isn't to go from one extreme to another, it's to have a middle ground, propertly managed, well-run system of government.

So how you went from defending the military industr8ial complex to me, to arguging with me about democracy makes no sense, unless you understand that YOU misunderstood the conversation we were having, and then went on to keep arguing with me.

So you have no idea what you're even arguing with me about and you just keep at it!