[Jibartik]

This was your first post:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says Jib as he sits with his security ensured by his government's military, his bathing/drinking water government-ensured to be safe, his roads that he uses to get everywhere maintained by his government, the money he uses to buy everything secured by his government, his ... you get the idea.

But yeah, everything the government does sucks :rolleyes

I reply that all that has done is craeted a consumer driven society full of people depressed that their consumerism has either already destroyed the planet, or is in the process of it:

All of that provides is consumerism that makes everyone nilhistic and depressed and angry and eventually it'll invent the AI that kills us all if the machines we built 200 years ago dont already.

Then you reply that all the raods and drinking water and not getting invaded doesn't do that.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Roads, drinking water, and not getting invaded = "providing consumerism" and "making everyone nihilistic"?

I said well it did didnt it? That's the earth we live on now.

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well it did didn't it?

Then you said that you you can have good military, not just the one we have.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in favor of a strong American military, but not the military-industrial complex. They're separate things.

And I said, can you, because there is no such thing so far??

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can they? Because they aren't in practice.

Again: all of what you spoke of has resulted in misery death and destruction.

Sorry to say this is true!

Then you just take this WILD PIVOT to pretend like you were defending democracy, and not a massive military industrial complex that has committed an act of imperialst colonialism and attacked almost every country on the planet:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

I dont know how many times I have to tell you

Military industrial complex cooperate globalist imperials =/= democracy

And this western system is literally killing people and destroying the planet and paying for the threats to our security.

All any of you war criminals say is, "the other guy has big weapons so we need to spend all our money on big weapons"

well if we spent it on making chips in America, we wouldn't be so afraid of Chinas chips would we? NO!

They wouldn't have stolen all our IP and we wouldn't have spent billions to help them build factories and increase their milltiary power. NOPE!

but we need CHEEP dispsobile chips WE NEED THEM we gotta have them mangia mangia mangia, buy buy buy!!!! NEED MORE MORE MORE!!!!!

Every time, its some warhawk that STARTS the threats that we're afraid of.

Happened with 9/11 we made osama and then they used osama to start 20 years of genocide in the desert.

We flood the streets with crack, so WE have incarcerate and murder everyone who is poor.

It's all caused by the "security" you think keeps us safe.