[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Note that Loramin can cap his stamina out any time he likes. He reaches 250 by using a single cheap stat potion and hits cap if he exchanges his goblin ear for stat ear and star of eyes, no other changes needed. He might not care enough to bother doing that, but the option's always present. Without knowing his equipment--can he increase/cap his mana just as easily if he so chooses?

Serious question (for your wife?): what percentage of the fights does she use potions in? I ask because I use them 0% of the time [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me the minor benefit of a few extra starting HP is outweighed by the hassle/cost of having to make the potion. But I'd be curious to hear roughly how often that value outweighs the hassle/cost for someone else.

But back on topic, whatever % that is, it's that % times whatever small % of a Shaman's entire life they have just enough Stamina to hit the cap with a potion, but not without it ... resulting in an even smaller percentage.

So, I don't see my central point much regardless of the percentage ... but I'm still curious to hear it?

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm generally somewhere in the middle on this one, but I think Loramin's "95%" stat could use a disclaimer: That's mainly true of the people who level up a character then more or less retire it shortly after hitting level cap. That applies to a lot of players, to be sure. Some players continue heavily playing characters past that point, for whom the consideration changes. As always, a player should build a character for his own needs rather than trying to follow a one-size-fits-all guide. Suggestions such as in this thread are by necessity of a general nature only and can't always encompass all circumstances.

Danth

I'm just as in agreement about "not all Shaman" as I was on page 3, when I wrote (in response to you):

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, you're absolutely right: it really matters what you're planning to do with your Shaman, and it's not one size fits all, or even one size fits all non-raiders.

Similarly "not all Shaman" retire after they fill every slot with BiS gear ... but I think most do.

But first, let's forget about "at 60, with Torpor, will full BiS": if we could study the P99 database, I'm willing to bet that less than half of all Shaman even make it to 60. Such players may not post in forums like us crazy people, but they certainly exist.

Then, out of those that do make it, I'd guess a similar good chunk will never acquire the gear to hit the Stamina cap ... ever. Out of whatever % is left, I think it's safe to say that most of those people like acquiring gear in EQ."

But by the very definition, when all your gear is "best in slot", there is nothing left to acquire. Thus, I truly don't think it's a stretch to think most will quit. Hell, I truly think most of what's left will quit well before every last slot is filled with BiS.

And again, when talking about Shaman at large, I think it's safe to say that most will either never hit the Stamina cap, or if they do will hit it for only a small % of their total playtime.