[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I don't agre with yet another of your "declarations", that I need to define anything.

To me it's self-evident that 95+% is the journey, and only 5% is playing your character once you've gotten them everything; I feel that point stands without any further evidence.

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You refuse to provide any evidence for your primary thesis, which is 25 STA > 25 WIS for "95% of Shaman's life" (which is still undefined). This means you just have an opinion. It is fine to have an opinion, but it isn't based on any facts within the game, so please do not assert it as such.

You also still have not defined "95% of a Shaman's life", because I don't know what "gotten them everything" actually means. There are multiple gear combinations one player could consider "everything". I also disagree that everybody plays the way you describe. Some people play their characters for years after they hit 60, even if they never raid lol. I am one of those people. I have played at least 40% of Shamwowi's life at level 60.

Until you define "95% of a Shaman's life", you can't assert your opinion as anything other than an opinion.

You have conceded my other points:

1. WIS is harder to cap during the Velious era than STA generally speaking. This is WITHOUT RAID GEAR. Usually the best starting stat is the primary stat that is hardest to cap, because a capped stat isn't helping you. This means 25 WIS / 5 STA is generally the better way to go (or 25 WIS / 5 AGI for Ogres). If you don't believe me, you can create Magelos with various gear and see how the stats shake out. Remember that you also get a +50 STA buff, but only a +10 WIS buff that is an illusion, which means it falls off more often due to zoning. You can also drink a +STA potion that you can craft yourself.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, no argument from me, at 60 with good gear Stamina is easier to cap.

2. The only reason why you would want to put 25 into STA instead is if you are planning out your gear/strategies ahead of time, and want to save a buff slot in the long run. This is because if you can cap STA without needing Riotous Health / Primal Essence, you end up freeing up a buff slot, because you do not need to cast Riotous Health on yourself. Freeing up a buff slot can be difficult to do, so this can be more important than just raw stats.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, if you're not using that stuff ... you're not needing to hit the buff cap. Whatever your 15th (or even 13th or 14th) buff is, it's not doing much. If you really want to discuss it, post all 15 self-cast, non-consumable (and non-PE hammer) buffs you're casting, so we can discuss what the oh-so-valuable 15th buff is actually doing for you.

You have shown that you are willing to admit that Shamans can cap their buffs at least, even before 60. My point has always been that clearing a buff slot can help you if you are thinking ahead about which buffs you want to use on a normal basis. Clearing buff slots is not as easy as putting on stat gear, so it is something to consider because that is a non-standard bonus.

3. Starting stats will NOT really help you during the leveling process, because stats scale by level. You will need to be around level 40 before you start noticing a difference. Generally speaking if you are concerned about starting stats, you are looking towards the end game, where those points end up giving you the most returns.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I agree with everyone else in this thread: THIS SHIT DOESN'T MATTER!

4. 25 STA gives you 75HP at level 60. It gives you something like 30 HP at level 30. Neither 75HP nor 30HP will save your life a significant amount of times. If this wasn't true, everybody would be running two HP earrings instead of a stat earring + Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. They would be getting https://wiki.project1999.com/Star_of_Eyes instead. Generally speaking Shamans do not do this, because the stat penalty from putting on Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring is insignificant. Having another inventory slot open for a bag is better, and Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring is easier to use because it does not require a target. If losing 35 HP or more on your earring doesn't change how often you die, why do you think the 25 STA will make a difference? Having a Hammered Golden Hoop instead of the Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring would give you that 75HP plus 8 more STA, and yet people wear Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring instead.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I agree with everyone else in this thread: THIS SHIT DOESN'T MATTER!

5. Shamans can in fact run out of mana before dying, which is why the +25 WIS can give you a small chance to survive a bad encounter. Similar to the +25 STA, this chance is very small. The usual culprit for this both Pre-Torpor and Post-Torpor are strings of resists and/or root breaks. Shaman spells are expensive, which means fizzling, resists, and root breaks can really add up quick if you are not careful. Here is a video of me fighting Bravatar: https://youtu.be/igpbLuNe0ls?t=1244 . As you can see at that timestamp, I am low on both HP and Mana. If he had given me one or two more unlucky resists, I would be completely out of Mana. If I was at 2% mana and 40% health, I would probably gate for safety because a double attack from Bravatar would get me very close to dying. Remember, this is me fighting Bravatar in mid-tier raid gear, so a lesser geared Shaman would be even lower on Mana.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, yes, you are correct: +25 Starting Stamina will not save your life often!

But it will save your life more than +25 Wisdom.

You have no evidence to assert this claim, and I have a video where the +25 WIS helped me survive. This is where you need to actually define what "95% of a "Shaman's life" is, so we can see when the STA might be better than WIS. Or you need to provide some data showing how often HP has saved your life vs. mana. You are making the claim, you need to actually show why it is correct. The burden of proof is on you.