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Originally Posted by loramin
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I already clearly rebutted your "evidence" earlier, you just ignored it:
Meanwhile, even if you could somehow prove that 60 Shaman with Torpor and with Dragon-soloing gear need max mana, it stil wouldn't change the fact that for 95+% of a Shaman's career, HP will be more valuable than Mana.
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The problem is you think anecdotes and poorly constructed logic are rebuttals. I have actual evidence, you do not. You somehow believe being an armchair general when it comes to fighting something like a WW dragon is good enough. When you are in a fight like that, you are making quick decisions based on how the fight is going. Claiming that "you could have theoretically cast your spells more optimally" doesn't really help your argument that 75HP is better, because I could make that same argument in a way that makes mana seem better. Since both arguments are theoretical, it is hard to determine which one is correct without practical application. That is why video evidence is great, because you can see how a fight happens in a practical scenario, rather than an armchair general scenario.
If you honestly believe 25 STA > 25 WIS (starting stats) is true for 95% of a Shaman's life, you need to actually show some evidence for this lol. You claim that I am the one just saying "I am right and you are wrong", but for some reason you believe that your "95% of a shaman's life" argument is somehow beyond question. Why is that? You do know you are doing exactly what you claim I am doing, right? You saying "95% of a shaman's life" is equivalent to "I am right, and you are wrong", because you refuse to define what that means. That is why I am asking for a Magelo, for example, so we can figure out what you are actually talking about.
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Originally Posted by loramin
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Let's recap: in this thread alone, I didn't use the PE hammer as an example of non-raid Shaman gear, I didn't call me out for not providing a Magelo ... that was provided on page 1, and I didn't simply stop reading/responding in the middle of the conversation (which anyone can see by going a couple pages back).
But keep making (bad) attacks against me instead of logical arguments, I'm sure it's convincing peole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] |
This is such a silly point that I have already rebutted. I just used PE hammer as an example of how Shaman's have more STA buffs than WIS buffs. There is no "gotcha" here, it is just a fact. Please stop wasting time on this, because it is just a weak an nonsensical attempt at a "gotcha", and not a valid point.
And yes, people will see that you have been reading posts extremely poorly and then responding with incorrect information. There really isn't much I can do to continue a conversation based on your misreading of it. Resetting was an easier way to try and get you to read the arguments properly. I am not saying it worked too well unfortunately, but it's a waste of time to continue discussing something that you don't have the correct information on. Thinking I have PE on when I don't, for example, taints your understanding of how easy it is to max your buffs out.
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Originally Posted by loramin
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At the very end of your Shaman career, yes you can. But even at the very end of your career, you still won't be using Stamina potions for most fights, because you don't need them for most fights (again, max stats are not important) and it's not worth wasting the plat/time to make them.
You might well use consumables (potions, root nets, emeralds for Avatar, etc.) at level 60, with Torpor and good gear, to do a really tough fight! But again, you'd do so at the very end, not for 95+% of your Shaman's life.
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I have factually disproven this, please stop saying it. You can cap STA in your 40s with 20k plat or less. Or provide a Magelo for what you think 95% of a Shaman's life is.
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Another mark of a good debater: they keep bringing up points the other side has already conceded. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
We both agree: it is possible to max your stamina with cheap gear. But you keep burying your head like an ostrich (that's not a real thing BTW) when it comes to addressing the point I won't concede, which is that no real Shaman is going to dedicate their gear to maxing their Stamina! They are going to want other stuff ... stuff like the Shrunken Goblin Earring that you yourself keep saying is so valuable. |
Again, you keep missing all the points. If a Shaman will reduce their max HP by 35 or more via Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring and not notice a difference, they will not notice a missing 75HP. You don't understand when max HP actually matters. The Magelo I posted is not designed to show an optimal Shaman build, it is to show you that a poor Shaman who is a casual player can max STA with little investment. You can't have it both ways: You can't claim that 95% of a Shaman's career won't cap STA because they are not twinked, are too casual, etc., and then turn around and say most Shamans can easily afford Fungi Tunic, so they will just buy that.
YOU NEED TO DEFINE WHAT 95% OF A SHAMAN'S LIFE LOOKS LIKE. Otherwise it is just some nebulous term you are throwing around because it can't be disproven.