[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the one who has proven time and again they don't read posts. The only thing I can do is move on, because it is clear you can't have a normal discussion about this. You just keep repeating disproven points, and you don't know they are disproven due to lack of reading.

Let's recap: in this thread alone, I didn't use the PE hammer as an example of non-raid Shaman gear, I didn't call me out for not providing a Magelo ... that was provided on page 1, and I didn't simply stop reading/responding in the middle of the conversation (which anyone can see by going a couple pages back).

But keep making (bad) attacks against me instead of logical arguments, I'm sure it's convincing peole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can cap STA easily with gear + Riotous Health + an STA potion. Just because you don't like using potions or STA gear, doesn't mean it is harder to cap STA. You have multiple avenues to get tons of STA, and this is not true with WIS.

At the very end of your Shaman career, yes you can. But even at the very end of your career, you still won't be using Stamina potions for most fights, because you don't need them for most fights (again, max stats are not important) and it's not worth wasting the plat/time to make them.

You might well use consumables (potions, root nets, emeralds for Avatar, etc.) at level 60, with Torpor and good gear, to do a really tough fight! But again, you'd do so at the very end, not for 95+% of your Shaman's life.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Provide a Magelo please. You keep refusing to provide evidence for this, other than your 200k+ Magelo of yourself, which can cap STA just fine. So far there are 4 Magelos proving my point against 0 Magelos proving yours.

Another mark of a good debater: they keep bringing up points the other side has already conceded. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We both agree: it is possible to max your stamina with cheap gear. But you keep burying your head like an ostrich (that's not a real thing BTW) when it comes to addressing the point I won't concede, which is that no real Shaman is going to dedicate their gear to maxing their Stamina! They are going to want other stuff ... stuff like the Shrunken Goblin Earring that you yourself keep saying is so valuable.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't what happened, the post history is clear.

Yeah, you never just declared "the only ___", as if your beliefs were self-established facts; someone else must have written:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. The only reason why you would want to put 25 into STA instead is if you are planning out your gear/strategies ahead of time, and want to save a buff slot in the long run.

And:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. The only reason why you would want to put 25 into STA instead is if you are planning out your gear/strategies ahead of time, and want to save a buff slot in the long run.

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I have provided evidence to the contrary of this. You have provided nothing other than an anecdote. I myself did run out of mana before health while leveling. So evidence wise we are at an impasse there. We both have an unprovable anecdote. But I do have a video, and you do noThis isn't what happened, the post history is clear.t. Factually speaking that video shows how Mana can save your life, and you have no evidence to show how the 75HP is better.

I already clearly rebutted your "evidence" earlier, you just ignored it:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe you missed the part about how you were exchanging Mana <=> HP over the course of that (long) fight, so you can't just blame your starting mana amount on the result? What if you have 7k mana, but never cannibalize once, so you run out: was your max mana the reason you ran out?

Similarly here, if you'd just Torped a bit less and Cannibalized a bit more, you could instead be making the argument that you had low health at the end of the fight. How you played doesn't prove anything.

Meanwhile, even if you could somehow prove that 60 Shaman with Torpor and with Dragon-soloing gear need max mana, it stil wouldn't change the fact that for 95+% of a Shaman's career, HP will be more valuable than Mana.