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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just not true. Let's say you have a character that starts out brand new, with no gear. From levels 25-55 you can kill guards. That typically averages out to 200pp per hour. If you do that for 100 hours you have 20000 self made PP while leveling. This is a very casual number too, this isn't hard core farming.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_...wBarbShamCheap This is an example of a character that is basically capped on STA with cheap gear. You could get all of that gear with 20k or less. I am not saying this is absolutely ideal gear, but it's cheap, and a lot of people just buy what they can as they go along. You have yet to provide a Magelo lol, so you clearly don't actually have any evidence for this. You could easily get this gear by level 40ish. This is with 25 points into WIS.

Have you ever heard of a "straw man argument"? You're making one without even realizing it.

Yes, if you only go for Stamina and nothing else you could hit the Stamina cap! Straw man achieved! But it's a straw man because it only works IF you buy a Feathered Leggings, Rune Crafter's Helm, Arctic Wyvern gear, etc. ... instead of getting a Ikky BP/Fungi/Vindi VP, a JBB, an instant-click refresh item, buff clickies, resists, wisdom, AC, etc. ... ie. if you don't get the much-more-useful gear options.

Real Shaman don't make it a goal to hit the Stamina cap while ignoring much more useful gear! So if you want to prove something, make a well-geared Shaman who hits the cap: no straw men.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not have primal essence on. I don't have a Hammer of the Dragonborn, and I said so lol. You can hit max buff slots before 60 without Primal Essence and without Avatar. You don't know what you are talking about.

You said that in a second post after the first, so I didn't see it. But it still doesn't change the fact that normal Shaman, farming gear, aren't burning emeralds on Avatar or using Stamina-enhancing (or any other) consumables. When you're farming you're trying to make money, not waste it to increase your (mostly meaningless) max stats.

And, if you're not using that stuff ... you're not needing to hit the buff cap. Whatever your 15th (or even 13th or 14th) buff is, it's not doing much. If you really want to discuss it, post all 15 self-cast, non-consumable (and non-PE hammer) buffs you're casting, so we can discuss what the oh-so-valuable 15th buff is actually doing for you.

BTW, these next two quotes particularly amused me, because they're sort of DeathsSilkyMist arguing with himself:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have video proof of how a Shaman would fight a WW Dragon. Your weird theory crafting to try and be right is just nonsense. Come back with some video proof of your +25 STA saving you[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DeathsSilkyMist: "+25 Wisdom has so much impact that you can see it in a single 15+ minute long fight (where you Torpor/Cannabalize, ie. exchange HP and Mana, constantly)."

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is simple. People are willing to reduce their maximum HP by 35 to equip a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. Doing so does not sudden make them way easier to kill. You can sacrifice max HP and not notice it. It's the same thing with the +25 STA. It will not give you a noticeable increase in survivability. Like the +25 WIS, it has a very low, very rare chance to save you.

Also DeathsSilkyMist: "stats don't matter" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I agree with everyone else in this thread: THIS SHIT DOESN'T MATTER! In any given fight (but especially in one with 15+ minutes of Torporing and Cannabilizing) you will not see a difference from +25 Stamina or +25 Wisdom.

But, if we're theorycrafting about the aggregate impact +25 Wis/Sta will have, over the course of every fight the Shaman is in their entire life ... the HP from the Stamina is going to save their life more often than the Mana from Wisdom.


And then just one more DeathsSilkyMist vs. DeathsSilkyMist

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I simply posted some information that was helpful, and you responded with trolling.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been proven wrong on all your points, and you have no evidence to provide. Please stop spreading bad information just because you are being stubborn.

Yup, that's you: all helpful info, no trolling.

(But, last I checked, normal/sane people can disagree about something, and discuss it rationally, without resorting to insults the moments their feelings got hurt because they started losing said rational discussion.)

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is like watching shamans attrition soloing. Slow, steady, consistent but mainly slow.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its 2022 and they're debating shit that literally does not matter at all, ever, not in 1 million cliff golems worth of fighting

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winning's winning man. It does matter, no matter how big or small.

We all know how this game works, so all we have left is to debate the finer points.

I appreciate the defense Crede, but honestly, I think the others are right: at this point, there are no "winners" in this thread. Both DeathsSilkyMist and I are losers for participating this long [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, I'm autistic enough to keep trying to disprove DeathsSilkyMist's falsehoods, so ... let's continue the loser-ness!