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Old 07-21-2022, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Well, if you want to talk about absolutes, it's nothing in either case because, as I know you agree, ultimately 20 points of a starting stat aren't going to break a character.
I'm not "talking absolutes", and I fully agree you could put all points in Charisma and still be perfectly happy playing that Shaman for a decade ... but we are theorycrafting on what's best for a non-high-end raid shaman here.

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I tend to think the solo shaman might be advised to focus on AC even above raw hit points, and at the very least definitely not ignore it.
I won't disagree ... but you don't have a choice of raw hit points or stamina with your starting points, only Wisdom or Stamina.

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I don't imagine them soloing Sebilite Protectors. Again that was brought up in response to a question of yours and I noted that it wasn't relevant.

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The reason i call this a straw man is because you were arguing that the rest of us weren't evaluating the situation appropriately as it pertains to OP.
To be a straw man, it has to (falsely) support y argument. Saying "maybe not all Shaman do the camps I listed, because someone mentioned another camp" was in no way a part of my argument ... it was weakening my argument.

If all Shaman just did the camps I described, my argument would be stronger, so saying "there might be other places where my argument doesn't apply" is not a straw man strengthening my argument!

Try to actually understand what a logical fallacy is before you accuse people of using one next time.

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Sorry, do you know how to do that?

Edit, now loramin’s expertise is needed
The Magelos are special, so I don't think they can be renamed, only deleted and remade. I deleted Danth's Wife for you ;-)

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Originally Posted by Siberious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
FINALLY! This has been what I've been trying to show here!

That shaman has 69 less AC than Loramin (Danth was just talking about the importance of AC to a Shaman). They have more than 200 mana less than Loramin (throughout this thread everyone keeps insisting max mana matters). They have 27 less MR and significantly less other resists, no regen, no FT ...

... and they're "done". This Shaman has played for years to get all that gear, and now at the end they have nowhere to go (without losting stamina).

So yes, if you abandon everything else and just focus on Stamina, and devote your entire Shaman career to getting Stamina gear, at the very end you might, maybe max out your Stamina.

But for the entire time you spent leveling up, and the entire time you spent at 60 farming plat for Torpor, and then the entire time you spent acquiring gear with Torpor ... more HP would have been more helpful than mana, for reasons I've repeatedly endlessly, and no one has in any way confronted.
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