[loramin]

Originally Posted by Siberious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A barb shaman in group content gear + lower end raid gear in a maybe a couple slots can reach 205 sta unbuffed without putting all their starting points there. Just check out the wiki and filter it for +sta or +hp per slot and look through till you see group content/EC gear that has a solid balance.

It's seems Loramin chose not to get good group content gear in plenty of your slots, let alone +hp gear (if his magelo is still accurate, see below). So it makes sense that he can't self buff to max stamina. Which isn't a knock on him, gear how you want, but he could very easily get to 205 stamina unbuffed with a few modifications to his gear.

I'd be putting it in wisdom all day to start with 105 sta and 105 wisdom. It allows you to maintain a solid mana pool while focusing on +hp +sta gear primarily (plenty of it doesn't have +wis or +mana) that ideally has some +mana when you can without sacrificing too many hps. You will need an okay mana pool even when a mob is slowed so that you can maintain via canni dance, reslow, while also ideally swapping in another dot besides epic on occasion (Or can just JBB spam instead).

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Loramin

You're right: I'm not single-mindedly only going for Stamina gear ... and I don't think most Shaman are either.

There are clickies (goblin earing, epic, JBB), raw HP, FT, regen ... and yes, even mana and Wisdom. Most people are not just going to get +Stamina gear at the exclusion of all other gear ... which makes it all more likely they'll never hit the Stamina cap unless they do high-end raid targets.

Meanwhile, you've yet to suggest an encounter where more mana would help more than more HP. ArbiterBlixen at least did that:

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So a fight against Sebilite Protector for example. You are going to want that mana. He has really high MR so root doesn't last more than a few seconds, and he could take 4-7 slow attempts on average. You won't be able to torpor and you really can't stand and take hits.

I've never soloed a Sebilite Protector, so maybe he's the one exception, but I still doubt it just based on rough math.

Let's go with the upper end of your estimate, and say it takes 7 slow attempts to slow the guy. Turgur's Insects takes 250 mana per cast, so that's 1750 mana. Presumably, you drop a Malo at the start for 350 more, for a total of 2100 mana. I did not focus on Wisdom/Mana on Loramin, but even so I have 2832 max mana unbuffed, which is enough to cast a malo plus seven slows, and still have 700+ mana left.

But, Malo has a 5 second cast time and Turgur's has a 3 second, so in that whole scenario we're talking 26 seconds of time the Shaman's being beaten on ... plus all the recast time I'm too lazy to calculate, plus more time from fizzles and interrupts ... let's just round to an even half a minute.

Per the wiki, Sebilite Protector hits for 260 - 555 "twice per round", which I guess means every tick/six seconds? So that's 407.5 * 2 = 815 average damage per tick, which means that in a 30-second fight he'll deal on average 4075 damage.

For reference, Loramin has 2392 max unbuffed HP, and I have at least somewhat tried to focus on HP. So again, I submit that more Stamina/HP is going to help you survive long enough to get the Protector slowed than having more Wisdom/Mana.

But to be fair, it sounds like you're mitigating damage with root, so I'd love to hear your (more accurate) numbers.

Originally Posted by ArbiterBlixen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway this is mostly irrelevant.

I think a better take away is that the 300 mana will give you flexibility in item selection that would yield you more overall Hp and Mana anyway.

As I just listed above, there's lots of things a Shaman should want in their gear. In my experience, all those things do more for a (non-raid) Shaman than having a larger mana pool ... except maybe Protector [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]