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Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If getting off the line ASAP is of no consequence whatsoever, than why would anyone use scripting unless there was more to the script than that alone?

Well, that's kind of my point for why I don't believe he's cheating. When I practiced with him, he certainly didn't win every jump, and I doubt he does on live either, but admittedly I don't raid lately.

For a script to work for the full race, it'd have to be from beginning to end to time up properly, and if that WERE the case, that video could've been much more convincing by showing the actual races, not the jumps. If he's consistently doing a perfect 90 sec race, the precise angles, you could bind sight and overlay them and there wouldn't be a shred of doubt.

I also don't think he's cheating because he's really good, knowledgable, and practices a lot. In my experience, these are not things cheaters do. Why spend hundreds of hours practicing a race if you're going to script it? Why host guild training sessions and be able to answer every question regarding every race and know every trick unless he's just... good?

The video also hinges on him having 108 ping. I spoke to him and he said his usual ping is much lower. Without the 108, his jumps drop from "inhuman" to "top 1%". Another big factor is level of attention - I used to keep my hand on the mouse, autorun bound to middle click, and use that to jump, then swap to W (which was bound to both Forward and Strafe Left). Obviously GINA is a factor too. The sound trigger you use matters.

Also, there are other cases where human error revealed scripting on this project, with unintended and embarrassing outcomes. It's not as though these accusations came out of left field.

Are there any of Stunningly doing this? I mean, I don't doubt people can script autorun. But I do not believe people are scripting full races and I do not believe scripted jumps matter much. Back when you HAD to use an autoclicker to win Scout Cherisa, it made sense to change it, because you simply had no chance otherwise. Remove the /random, and scripted jumps aren't even a problem anymore.

Sure, I agree that someone who cheats will go to any length. But isn't it curious how this person who gets a lot of FTE's is a really good player who practices and studies a lot? It's just so strange, the person who works the hardest to get better, is the best.

Players who are suspected of two-boxing are put through a series of tests on the spot. It would be interesting to see if he could demonstrate the same reaction times in different settings with different random numbers being used as the green light. If I was in Vanquish, and felt that their was nothing suspicious about those numbers, that would take priority over creating antagonistic RNF threads.

I'm not opposed to this, but I don't think you can glean much from it. Different numbers wouldn't matter though, as everyone uses GINA, which is legal. I don't support cheating, even if they're my guildmates or friends. I've been accused of cheating and RMT and other garbage a lot in this game, despite the lack of proof. I'm sympathetic to false accusations.

Is Stunningly truly getting first jump on every single Statue? (Or was, I guess) If that's the case, that does change things and the video should've mentioned it.

That someone had to compile that much evidence together rather than play the actual game, worry-free, says something about the state of the game.

Definitely agree with you here. This whole thing is a little fascinating to me as a mostly-outsider because I used to get first jump off the line frequently due to reasons explained above and was accused of cheating a few times.

However, I don't know if the problem is that people today are more inclined to spend 2 months making a documentary instead of spending those 2 months practicing. I don't know if Riot has a practice server or how much they spend there.

p99 is a strange hobby, sure. But racing can be a lot of fun for some people. NToV races were my favorite part of the game. I did a lot of tracking too. The competition, and contributing to the guilds success are what drove me. Is it really THAT hard to believe someone is just really good?

Back in 2016, Kelzaraz got 5 of 6 Vulak FTE's. That was the first time I saw people posting about scripting. Kelz recorded most of them, and the most interesting thing I took away from them were that the first person off the line didn't even survive to Vulak a single time.