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Old 07-21-2011, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
despite Republicans screaming otherwise, government spending has a stimulative effect on the economy.
What does it stimulate? Genuine economic growth, or phony GDP/Job numbers? I'd argue the latter, based on Bush+Obama's escapades in stimulus. Both were heavy stimulus abusers.

No one can show or prove that the stimulus was a success. We're just expected to believe it worked. I've looked at the numbers - even the job creation/saved numbers the presidency provides puts the cost of each job at $200,000 or higher. Countries that didn't stimulate are recovering far faster than we are.

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Unfortunately, its easier to cut welfare, social services and other programs which actually help the economy than entitlements, which are the main drivers of our long term debt.
It's quite a bit harder politically to deal with entitlements - but people on both sides who have tried to deal with them get ostracized by their own parties and demagogued by the opposition.

And there are a myriad of entitlements or government promises that are coming down the pike that no one even talks about - Veteran benefits for the tons of soldiers that aren't re-enlisting or have been wounded around the world, student loans, etc.

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(Not extending the Bush tax cuts would have avoided this problem all together, but don't tell anyone that)
That wouldn't have solved the problem at all. We probably would have spent more money on on turtle-tunnel stimulus or somewhere else since we may have had more projected revenue. The revenue difference isn't even that great. Long-term, revenues tend to some degree of normalization regardless of the tax rate since peoples' choices change in accordance with that rate.
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