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The answer is right there in your own words [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] "Most" is the operative word. There is a reason why there are no other P99 knock offs. They have proprietary code and customizations they do not share that give this server it's unique flavor. Once they divulge those secrets, this server is done. The die-hard red community has been chomping at the bit for a new red server for years. All it would take is someone to take the P99 code and apply it to a new red server and boom, a few hundred players are out of P99. |
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This post is intended for Nilbog primarily but the other staff as well. It's not intended for the random forum trolls or anyone else. It is lengthy because it describes years of playing here and months of intermittent research and code contribution effort. It, combined with my channeling bug fix, represents my last chance to try to affect change on P99 in a classic direction that would interest me in being part of this community again.
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I'm not really saying you're a troll but your responses are kind of part of the problem. People trying to report bugs and have them considered by the staff end up talking with random forum posters who really have no sway. Sometimes their opinions are valid, sometimes not, but it is a deterrent. Bug threads span out several pages of nonsense conjecture.
Your main assertion is that I'm wasting my time because P99 code is too custom to be worth trying to contribute changes. Yet according to the staff that isn't true and most of the code is not custom. So do I keep arguing with you and filling up this thread because the staff won't respond? This is the fate of most bug reports. Absence an authoritative voice to guide investigation of bugs things devolve into opinions. Opinions about if evidence is good enough, if a mechanic should or shouldn't work in some way based on the evidence, opinions about all kinds of shit that doesn't matter and just ensures contributors are stuck talking with nobody who has the ability to find an answer.
I just gave you an example in the channeling code. The code was EQEmu. The client was decompiled. The evidence is strong. Yet your response is just more of the same that you're right and community efforts can't be leveraged and the staff is correct to ignore everyone.
Three year old epic mob window evidence? Mob pathing over voids? PVP arena bugs? I give you even more examples of things which likely have nothing to do with P99's custom code or if they do the value is in the research of how that code should change but you're still adamant that you are correct. Contributions just can't be valuable, things are too custom, the staff shouldn't bother improving things.
This is how bug reports die here. Then the staff probably comes and looks at a thread after 7 months or whatever. Hmmm they say, where in the 10 pages of people arguing over nonsense can I just see the evidence that was compiled here? What is the actual state of this bug? Well, the initial post didn't have the evidence and I don't have time to look through 10 pages of this bullshit, fuck it, I'm not responding to this or wasting my time reading it.
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Many people have asked how they can contribute source development help to the project. We do run a modified source.. but the majority of it is publicly viewable eqemu code.
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- Nilbog
At this point you're just derailing the thread. I proved you were wrong, the code in many cases is EQEmu, it can be changed, as stated by the staff encouraging suggesting code changes. If it can't be changed the research has value. There are many places where volunteers efforts could be leveraged better and much of that effort is ignored. There are several simple changes that could be made here to improve the bug report forum which I just outlined.
However, thank you for replying, because again it just shows part of the problem here. I consider this the Google Support experience. Google doesn't want to actually provide support so instead they give you a support forum and have no actual staff that responds there. You're welcome to go there and argue with other people who have no authority or connection to Google other than being users. We're happy to ignore your feedback or problems. The difference is Google never claims to actually want your feedback or help fixing problems. P99 staff does.