Ogre = happy cuddly shaman
Troll = grumpy bitey shaman
Troll can have 70 charisma. 3 more points to lure u in for bities.
Ogre can have 67 starting charisma and makes up for it with extra personality.
Barb shamans can start with 85 charisma and get to live it up in Halas with a cigar shop
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-20 fr vs dreaded druids feels super bad.
Ogres live closer to Lake Rathe
Trolls live closer to S Ro