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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey
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And you would still have it. Again, what is wrong with providing an optional rotation-based server? There is literally no detriment to you. No one is forcing you to play there, you would still have a competitive option.
Talk about entitlement... I'm the one who's entitled? I just want to have fun with my friends, man.
You're the indignant, entitled asshole wanting to deprive an entire demographic of players from having fun because you and others like you have decided for the rest of the server, twice in a row now (Blue and Green), what the barrier of entry is for and earning pixel trinkets on a 22-year-old elf simulator. All because you are afraid your hard-earned 3am batphone pixels will mean less on your competitive server if a casual player can log on in a relaxed fashion at 8pm to raid NTOV with their like-minded friends without some internet bullies dumping trains on them on a rotation server. THAT, my friend, is entitlement.
Each subset of players having their own server does not impact you in any way unless you're worried everyone would flock to the rotation server and leave "competitive" servers empty and desolate, unless you're afraid to actually compete, or if you have some concerns that RMT demand would drop because casuals would be able to get your pixels. So which one is it? Fair question.
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Coming from your casual mind, I can understand how you just don't get it. I truly believe you're playing the wrong game. No one is denying you anything, all it takes is some effort on you and your friends part to be successful. There's nothing stopping you from: learning the mechanics, getting like-minded individuals together sufficient to complete the task, preparing, and executing so you can all "have fun".
What's stopping you? What targets are you trying to go after and experience? There's been many occasions where a group of friends (guilds) have sent a message to leadership in both top raiding guilds to see if they would abstain on a certain target for their enjoyment, with acknowledgement and agreement from the top two raiding guilds. If you think you're going to "raid NToV" while the top raid guilds leave it up and uncontested for your pleasure, you're sorely mistaken and I'll elaborate the reasons "why?" shortly.
You seem to fail to grasp the nature of Everquest on P99 and on live from back in the day. The game is competitive by design, not just in raiding. Literally everything is competitive and it didn't start changing until LDON with instances, then they eventually went back and changed Plane of Time to instanced during OoW.
You're advocating for an optional server with rotated content...there's plenty of other servers out there with that exact feature in mind. Take your friends and go have fun?
You also have this misconception of how raiding was back in Classic on Live and how it is now on p99 in 2021, so I'll try to expand the concept:
Live raiding was always Loot Council because a guild needed Tanks / Clerics / etc geared up to be able to take down the next targets in progressive expansions. You also had Raid Attendance % minimums that had to be met in order to be considered for an item in most guilds, to show that you were pulling your weight and contributing. This was also true here on P99 when Velious dropped. Tanks / Clerics / Shamans all received ST keys loot counciled so we could break in and contest Rampage, etc. The rules have changed over the years and a lot of people fought against the loot council rules to get it changed to a fairer system. After loot council was gone, you still had to maintain a minimum RA% in order to bid on stuff, and it was For Mains Only. One could never bid for your alts unless main swapped and made it official, to be blessed by leadership of course. Think your 60 Cleric Main is going to get the go ahead to swap to another toon? Think again. Now, one doesn't need any RA% in order to bid on an item and you may also bid on items for any of alts on top of that. This situation has been in place about two years now and what you're seeing is the continuous evolution of the system.
So for the first 10 years of the existence of raiding on p99, most guilds couldn't afford to let people gear alts without recourse, maybe the 2nd or 3rd year of Kunark onward to Velious would be the exception, until Velious dropped and the cycle reverted. Now, for the last two years or so, alts have been getting the special treatment that they've been denied. Just to put this into perspective for you. This is the reason all targets are contested all the time, for the most part. The constant evolution of the raid rules, both within guilds, from CSR, and the natural timeline of progression on p99, has dictated the very nature of the raid scene. The burning out of raiders that push too hard and don't take breaks, the influx of new members fresh onto the competitive raid scene and they require training, the advent of Green and split populations...all of these factors and more come into play.
Do you have any idea how long some people have been wanting some items, or any items, for some of their other toons? Not to mention the BiS stuff from off of Vulak / Doze / etc for their main toons?? People have literally been waiting YEARS. And here you come along and want to shit on everyone else's time and sacrifices just so you and your friends can "have some fun". Do you have any concept of the amount of bullshit raiders have had to wade through, across guilds and across server rule changes, just to get the opportunity for that one item they've been after for years?? How about how many times we've failed before we learned to succeed, over and over again? Can you imagine how many bites of the shit sandwich people take and continue to drive on like the consummate professionals they are, all the while dealing with differing personalities, politics, and all the social abstracts that come with being in a raiding guild? It can take one person up to 6 months of raiding to get just ONE bis item. There's people on this server that have been playing for 10 years and just recently gained full BiS. Constantly sacrificing some of their time and dealing with infinite bitching and moaning from you casuals about "whaaaa, we just want to enjoy the content too without any effort!" and all the while against the very nature of the game.
Fuck off you Motherfucker You.... and I mean that with all due respect. So yes, you are the entitled asshole in this scenario lacking empathy. I'm just the necessary asshole that has the privilege of explaining this to you. There are plenty of options for you and your friends to have some fun, whether it be here on p99 or elsewhere.
No one is depriving you of anything. Come and get it, play on another server, or just stfu already.
Cheers