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Old 09-07-2021, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
But here we go again, that's straight up goberment/economic eugenics.

Im willing to deal with the stress that extra kids put on society. I dont think because population is an issue that we should instead add the unnecessary stress of determining who gets to push their ideas of who gets to live and who doesn't.

If the question was about how we could stop all cancer by genetically engineering kids then I would have some serious difficulty in saying no to that.

But if the question is people have it rough and some people think that they're better off not even existing, so let the goverment decide that it's ok to throw some kids into the trash can, then Im not in.

I think that's worse for society than a 1st world western one dealing with unwanted pregnancies.
So, let me get this right.

My words, not exactly my beliefs, close enough though.

Capitalism and corporations are coercing women to kill or abandon their children out of fear or necessity.

And.

You believe that the government can help or save these children. And women. And that we are morally obligated to help them through the government.

I believe it failed in many cases, and only my own actions have thus far enabled my survival. I also believe it is morally superior to care for and support eachother. I don't believe that the government does this, or is effective at caring for people. I also believe that laws for and against abortion are both equally liable to kill people and cause further abandonment and neglect. That is how I feel and through the lense and anecdote of my life, know things are. What I personally know I or we cannot and can in reality control.

We should reform our society, culture, government, and economy before legislating on these moral issues. Our current culture and economic system is entirely untenable regardless of whether abortion is legal. More laws create more avenues for waste, oppression, and the invasion of privacy. Create more dependence. Create more taxation, police, and beuricracy. And support more abuses via capitalism and corporate institutions. Or more avenues of fraud through institutions.
Last edited by starkind; 09-07-2021 at 11:41 AM..