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Originally Posted by Jibartik
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Nobody is forcing anyone to go into debt
yet that doesn't stop the same people who are pro abortion from wanting to get rid of student loans...
So lets get this straight, the same people that want to terminate their pregnancies are the ones that are afraid of getting one because they're in the middle of a 4+ year bender they took out 200k in loans to pay for and they want a job at the end of it not a liability.
This isnt about forced abortions, it's about abortions and easy solutions being worse for society than a few unwanted kids in foster care.
And horza/whale dont act like you care more about those kids than I do because your version of care is: Life is better if you are dead.
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You believe that the government knows best how to allocate life and wealth.
I don't.
Neither of us believe killing people or babies is morally superior.
I believe that the government is part of the system enforcing artificial scarcity and protecting the system of loans and debtors you speak of and is far less qualified to enforce our collective will. Which should be individual will>local >global will.
I don't believe rich and powerful collectives and institutions have the right even if they have the authority. It's clear abortion is just the tip of a social iceberg we've been neglecting and you feel the government can help address this.
The point at which we disagree is simply whose authority and whether the authority resting with the government is helpful or harmful.
I believe we both value individual autonomy.
So, we don't really disagree about abortion. We disagree about police and law and government.
I'm a bit callous, I do really care though, I also care about the less fortunate or disabled or those without privilege, power, money, freedom, or land and autonomy .