[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was right about Hydroxychloroquine. India is recommending it as treatment and cases are declining fast.

Source?

https://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...us-540404.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/ci...ients-7281146/

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...es-2021-05-14/

Taking into consideration the number of conflicting accounts, its effectiveness remains inconclusive at best.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Healthy people with healthy immune systems don't need to be wearing a face mask outside or even in public places.

https://www.dw.com/en/life-behind-a-...mog/a-42199104

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've spent 60 pages googling wikipedia links trying to claim otherwise. You haven't proven your case and you never will since there is no consensus.

You continue to mention Wikipedia but never those other, more official websites. At least I actually did something productive within those 60 pages, more productive than repeating the same phrase over and over as if doing so would make it any more true.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, that's exactly what I said. Why did you leave that part out of your reply:

Questionable, isn't it? When someone purposefully leaves out a crucial detail to make you seem uninformed. Even worse, when they claim you said something that you very clearly did not.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hospitals wouldn't have received big payoffs though if they didn't say that person died from Covid. Another scam.

https://fox11online.com/news/fox-11-investigates/fact-check-how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted

"Providers can get additional reimbursement through Medicare. That was a component of the CARES Act that was passed by Congress and signed by the president as a partial offset to all the extra costs that providers are incurring," Potter said.

People also claim death numbers are being inflated so hospitals get more money. Potter says that’s not true for two reasons.

The first, Potter says that 20% add-on from the CARES Act is only for services provided, not deaths.

In actual dollar amounts, Potter says the 20% payment averages out to be around $35,000 per patient on a ventilator.

Potter says the second reason it's not true is because of checks and balances.

“If somebody knowingly alters the medical record, which would then create the bill I think is being alleged here... That would be caught through audit. And if that occurred, you could be prosecuted -- there’s huge penalties," Potter said.

“I know that there’s a certain group of people out there who seem to think that we’re taking directions from the CDC, or physicians or certain health departments or something like this to inflate the numbers which is absolutely, completely false," Klaeser said.

"There's no pressure on the physician to say COVID, we’re going to get paid more if you have COVID," Dr. Mead said.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a win-win for the scammers given the mortality rate for Covid (which is really just The Flu)

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...t-the-flu.html

There’s a refrain that “COVID-19 is just the flu,” which is not at all accurate.

Andrew Pekosz, PhD, says it can be hard to differentiate the two based on symptoms alone. But large numbers of susceptible people and increased rates of severe disease and death set COVID-19 apart from seasonal influenza.

Pekosz, a leading virologist who works on both diseases, breaks down key differences between COVID-19 and influenza to show why this pandemic is so critically—and catastrophically—dangerous.

What would you say to someone who insists to you that COVID-19 is “just the flu”?
Since December 2019, COVID-19 has killed more people in the U.S. than influenza has in the last five years.

Are there long-term health effects of the flu? How do they compare to increasing evidence about long-term health effects of COVID-19?

This is another area where the two viruses differ. COVID-19 survivors report many more long-term effects of the infection than influenza survivors. Lingering symptoms like weakness, shortness of breath, trouble focusing and, in some cases, kidney and heart problems are much more common after COVID-19 than after influenza.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...cts-of-covid19

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My original point still stands.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Old 04-17-2021, 05:24 PM
G13
Fire Giant

G13's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 781
Default Face Diapers Don't Do Anything
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Quote:
Clinical scientific evidence challenges further the efficacy of facemasks to block human-to-human transmission or infectivity. A randomized controlled trial (RCT) of 246 participants (50%) symptomatic)] who were allocated to either wearing or not wearing surgical facemask, assessing viruses transmission including coronavirus . The results of this study showed that among symptomatic individuals (those with fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose ect…) there was no difference between wearing and not wearing facemask for coronavirus droplets transmission of particles of >5 µm. Among asymptomatic individuals, there was no droplets or aerosols coronavirus detected from any participant with or without the mask, suggesting that asymptomatic individuals do not transmit or infect other people. This was further supported by a study on infectivity where 445 asymptomatic individuals were exposed to asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carrier (been positive for SARS-CoV-2) using close contact (shared quarantine space) for a median of 4 to 5 days. The study found that none of the 445 individuals was infected with SARS-CoV-2 confirmed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8114149/

This article has been retracted.
Retraction in: Med Hypotheses. 2021 May 12; : 110601 See also: PMC Retraction Policy

Retraction notice to “Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis” [Medical Hypotheses 146 (2021) 5]
Baruch Vainshelboim
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer
This retracts the article "Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis" in Med Hypotheses, volume 146 on page 110411.
This article has been retracted: please see Elsevier Policy on Article Withdrawal (https://www.elsevier.com/about/our-b...cle-withdrawal).

This article has been retracted at the request of the Editor-in-Chief.

Medical Hypotheses serves as a forum for innovative and often disruptive ideas in medicine and related biomedical sciences. However, our strict editorial policy is that we do not publish misleading or inaccurate citations to advance any hypotheses.

The Editorial Committee concluded that the author’s hypothesis is misleading on the following basis:

1. A broader review of existing scientific evidence clearly shows that approved masks with correct certification, and worn in compliance with guidelines, are an effective prevention of COVID-19 transmission.

2. The manuscript misquotes and selectively cites published papers. References #16, 17, 25 and 26 are all misquoted.

3. Table 1. Physiological and Psychological Effects of Wearing Facemask and Their Potential Health Consequences, generated by the author. All data in the table is unverified, and there are several speculative statements.

4. The author submitted that he is currently affiliated to Stanford University, and VA Palo Alto Health Care System. However, both institutions have confirmed that Dr Vainshelboim ended his connection with them in 2016.

A subsequent internal investigation by the Editor-in-Chief and the Publisher have determined that this article was externally peer reviewed but not with our customary standards of rigor prior to publication. The journal has re-designed its editorial and review workflow to ensure that this will not happen again in future.

The Editor-in-Chief and the Publisher would like to apologize to the readers of The Journal for difficulties this issue has caused.