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Originally Posted by adruidarkly
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This thing has been up like half a year and still so many don’t understand that the google doc has no authority it’s just an augmentation of the in game manual player list which also is of no authority. Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period. If you do anything else than that you are going beyond your requirements just like this online list does.
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I think you are half right. You are 100% correct that the google doc basically has no authority ... but if you follow that logic then "Whoever is at the camp when the camp holder gets their ring gets next period." doesn't naturally follow. Let me just use my Guise of the Dark Elf Lawyer to explain ...
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If you check out
https://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Camp_Waiting_Lists, you'll see that way back in 2014 GM Derubael clarified P99's list policy. I've added emphasis to three key sentences in his quote:
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Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:
Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:
1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt.
2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.
Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.
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Thus, as I understand it, there is currently
no obligation on any player to hand the camp to the next person on the list. The only obligation is that whoever they pick to get the camp next must be there, and they can't lie about who is next.
This rule would seem to encourage guilds to monopolize camps ... and they've done exactly that over the course of P99's history, as far back as year #2 of Kunark on Blue!
https://wiki.project1999.com/Raid_Hi...roga_Lock-Down
So, personally I would
LOVE it if the staff came out and said "if you got a camp by waiting on a list, and there are still others on that list, you are obligated to A) maintain that list, B) keep its established rules, and C) pass the camp to the next person on that list". I'd love it even more if they said "if someone is waiting for a camp, you must create a list and add the person waiting as the first person on it (even if you want to give the camp to a friend/guildmate)" ...
... but unfortunately P99 history, GM quotes, etc. seems to instead suggest that you can wait on AC list, get the camp, and then hand it over to whoever you feel like (eg. a guild friend) after ... as long as they are there on time, and you don't lie and promise the camp to someone else.
P.S. Staff, I would be
happy if you showed up here and told me how wrong I was, and how players
are required to pass camps to the next person on the list. Please come tell me how wrong I am (and give us another helpful/clarifying quote in the process)!