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Originally Posted by imperiouskitten
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Sparta scuked bro Athens is what spread
Free the boy lovers
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Brasidas was a bad ass
I know you don’t know him. Athens was the better of the two cities, but they fell because of their hubris and adventurism in Sicily. And because of my persian ancestors practicing offshore balancing.
First Battle of Mantinea, Spartans are attacked coming out of a forest by prepared ambushers, dumb ass king who is young an inexperienced gave a shitty command, the brother of the second Spartan king disobeys the dumb orders and holds the line. The Spartans form up to face a charge from the Argive / Athenian coalition, the Spartans have a hole in their line due to poor orders from the king. The brother of the absent king pleistonax, who disobeyed Agis (young / dumb king), rolls up the Argive line on the opposite side of the field, crushing the Argive commoners. He let the Athenians and Argive nobles leave (oligarchy promotion in Argos, and the hope for peace with Athens). He then went back to Sparta and was tried for disobedience.
So to reiterate, having been led into a trap, unprepared in a forest, the Spartan line formed up, crushed a prepared opponent, and even had the wherewithal to make political calculations in the midst of a crushing victory
Athens had its merits, but the drill and discipline of Sparta was like Rome post Marius; they were way ahead of their time. In any case, most of the major Greek city states in the 5th century BC were intellectually superior to 88% of nations around today