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Originally Posted by Psyborg
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You of course realize what you just described applies 100% to Riot training FRAG kiters at LadyM less than an hour prior right? What was Riot’s response? Duru sends tells to our raid leader and tells him that Riot will be vacating the area and moving on. No concession, nothing. The difference is that FRAG stayed and actually killed the target because keeping blockers up is lame. Using this protocol, we returned the favor with Riot. We accidentally trained, vacated the area for a few hours, and gave Riot every chance to kill all of trips and possibly both twins as well. Instead riot wants to try and game a Zlexak concession to score a free Vulak. Concessions should not be weaponized but that is exactly what Riot did with the last Zlex a few weeks back and it's what you did on Saturday as well.
The big difference here of course is that FRAG took the time to go over the fraps again afterwards and we conceded 2x Zlexaks. We got crickets about LadyM from Riot but we decided not to push the issue because we weren’t particularly happy with the angles we had on the train. That goes to your point about fraps: gotta have them on because riot will train the shit out of you and not say a word. Just look at our most recent Vyemm fraps in raid concerns where Riot was chain summoning eyes to train our kiters. What Furoar did was completely wrong and we deserved our punishment and so did he. Riot escalating things with each cycle since then is going to blow up in your face soon enough.
You’re not the good guys and neither are we. Stop with the moral authority bullshit because I have a laundry list of examples that will just paint you as a hypocrite.
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Did riot concede Lady M at 5% or some other scumbag "I know we are guilty but there is a system to game here" behavior? Nope. If you wanted to not kill it and gather evidence and figure out that you 100% knew Riot was in the wrong that was your prerogative.
Chain summoning eyes to
try to train your kiters? Dude the kool aid is with that statement is intense. AGF won Vyemm, great job, really. In order to engage fesh, though, you and I and everyone knows you have to pull guards out to either kill or kite. Nobody was
trying to train your kiters. That's a weirdo narrative made up by guild leaders and people that need to unbind push to talk. I was one of the monks pulling guards out. We tried to be careful, but too many cooks led to the guards getting too close to the kiters and they picked up aggro. Certainly not something that is deliberate, but honestly brings up another question of whether the vyemm kiters are forced to be respected effectively blocking access from fesh. It was an earnest attempt at fesh, the kiters were on the tracks of what a normal pull looks like. IMO Vyemm/Fesh popped at the same time should be a race to Vyemm with the competing guild(s) getting access to fesh in exchange for allowing the kiters to continue uninterrupted, and similar agreements for other mobs whose engages overlap. Otherwise the meta will devolve into some race to kite nonsense that then blocks access to another guild's earnest attempts.
All of this whataboutism or the 'hurr durr the guy on the other team said words' shit really detracts from the issue at hand that we are all facing. Look at how disrespectful and shitty Detoxx is when he engages with others in the UN. Look at Furoars history of lying, training, and as far as I'm concerned, the history of scripting/whatever accusations amount to a lot of smoke where I'm having a hard time believing fire doesn't exist. Shit, it was probably only a couple years ago it was Detoxx himself throwing the hackusations out there against Furoar. This is the landscape that we are all going to have to play on should these problem players keep getting license to continue to behave like this. And the only thing giving them license is the players deciding they want to be on the same team as these assholes.
I'm super happy that the UN is now viewable by all. Now we can choose our team rather than sit at home and wait for dad to get home to spin up a bullshit narrative. All I'm saying is for everyone to keep their eyes open, and for the vast majority of players to know that if you wanted a reason to leave a situation you feel is toxic or don't feel represents you, other options are on the table.