[Gustoo]

I also very much appreciate heartbrands sentiment especially as he spent a lot of time raiding here and still occasionally posts. Thanks dude.

I completely agree with all of what HB said, but that is why I never raided and only have leveled one character up to 50+ by myself (gustoo) ever in my entire life. I don't like to grind, grinding is work. I like to adventure. Adventuring is fun.

Thats a big reason why I am so seriously interested in seeing item loot come to pass, because I like PVP at level 10, 12, 16, and that spretty much it. I might make a level 20 guy just to hit those level 16 wizards when they're rustling my level 12 caster's jimmies or something.

PVP at max level is really inconvenient because even without PVP a lot of these raids take a LONG TIME so to work for a LONG TIME just to have some guy come and train your raid is really really just barfable. I don't know the best way to handle that because I have basically no personal experience dealing with it at all. For me I have raided so seldom that I still think they are fun and exciting because end game content is still a new adventure for me.

Sullon Rules with no PVP range and 2 teams at least fixes the OOR trainer and OOR healer issues that exist on the current server. The fact is that a fresh start might degenerate into current red99 in a year or 2 or 3 but then we do another fresh start with some fixes and we all have fun for a while again.

This is a game designed for fun that is why its mind boggling that red1.0 has been ignored for so long when a whole lot of people would have enjoyed the fresh take. MAYBE its because the concept of using 1 stable server like Blue 99 and now Red 99 as the final destination server for ALL other servers to allow for character permanence is NEW to this community. Its a good idea and lets them have REd99 as a permanent parking lot and playground for your characters while Brown 99 gets people a fresh shot.

Raiding on EQ is meant to be hard and inconvenient that is really the point of these encounters.

I think there has to be raid PVP rules because just coming and fucking up a raid and robbing 2 or so hours of 50+ peoples lives seems wrong. I know it is cool (to be the one dealing that damage) but as HB is stating here, how many people are willing to put up with that shit?

And thats why we had all those rules crop up right? I recall rules about people having a viable raid force before going to PVP against a raid party. I know it is against the open world nature of what I like about EQ PVP but it makes sense in many ways. You can harass the hell out of all those characters while they are in transit, but waiting for them to gather their force in front of a dragon then using the environment to just destroy those peoples evening seems wrong. There were player made and also sony / verant made rules for raids on Live too, probably for similar reasons. I am very unfamiliar with these. It seems like the Loot and Scoot rule for raid encounters was a pretty legitimate way for people to contest, and then lose and be rejected from the equation for the duration of the raid encounter.


THEN AGAIN I can feelerz the perspective of a team with 30 people barely trying to kill dragons versus a 120 person guild that logs on ONLY for raids and never PVP's while collecting all the dragon loot. What is the junk guild supposed to do? I remember these vibes when Nihilum was thriving. People didn't want to join, but it was the only smart way to get raid pixels.

Thats why I really don't like rulesets or really anything that tries to favor the raiding population. Raiding sucks, and if we make it all about raiding we make it all about a small amount of limited targets that only a small amount of people can access. The META of this game is basically never supposed to be reached. It is Everquest. Expansions should be coming out to make you obsolete by the time you finally learn the ropes of the latest encounter.