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Originally Posted by Psyborg [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Southern Poverty Law Center describes it best: "Their disavowals of bigotry are belied by their actions."

They have a lot to come back from if you've read anything that came out of the founders mouth for the last, what, 15 years? And just to put this into perspective for anyone that doesn't do their own research, we are having HUGE national conversations of about a group that consists of at most 300 members according to the most recent statistics I could find. Again, not representative of our society as a whole or in any large part. I believe Trump really didn't know who they were when asked by the debate. Out of all the things the president is constantly briefed on, I wager the Proud Boys specifically were pretty low on the list until after he was asked at the debate.

Originally Posted by Stroboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is this pedo celeb molester group called? Or did you just make that up? I feel like you made it up.

Fact is ProudBoys support Trump explicitly because their views align with his

It's called Hollywood? That statement was in jest at your line of thinking that if you vote for someone that a small marginal group supports that you think is bad, then that makes you bad by association. If that was the case we wouldn't be able to vote for anyone, because there would always be someone you don't approve of voting for the same candidate. I invoked the pedo/molester theories because there's more and more people claiming (I think mostly from the Qnon folks, but there's a lot of folks that believe it - I've got an aunt that is unhinged about Tom Hanks being a pedo, but I'm not up on that theory) that Hollywood celebs are a bunch of pedo's and child exploiters so I drew a bad comparison to make the point that your line of thinking was bad. I could have used another example but I took it to the level of ridiculousness that I thought met the level of ridiculousness of your statement. I personally claim ignorance on the validity of the pedo accusations, but as we see more and more sexual exploitation being exposed in Hollywood, and the child star becoming a sane functional member of adult society seeming to be exception to the rule of child stardom, I could see how people could believe the conspiracies. I personally think determining your vote on whether or a not a miniscule group of society's dregs is voting for them or not is a terrible idea.

In truth in regards to the white supremacists voting, if they vote at all, they'll vote for Trump simply because he doesn't endorse the BLM organization. And his stance on BLM most likely has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with Trump seeing them as Democratically back instigators trying to ruin the election for him. I'm pretty sure the only color Trump sees is green.