Exactly Uuruk. If you think back to when Pandemonium started playing and things were actually looking on the up and up (Miss you guys, especially Vae and Thurloc!! <3 dudes!)
I used Guava to power level the ENTIRE guild to 60 in CoM. Completely free - although some vet's that wanted to get in on it did compensate me for helping the server.
But they were forced to join Empire instead of doing their own thing. Because of the mentality you speak of (mainly grief to force them to one of the "sides" A or B". Fast forward not even a week later - 90% of them quit. It's the toxic environment at the high end that had ALWAYS been the problem.
If there was a forced culture imposed at the high end to dissuade the bad behavior of the raid scene - i'd wager this server would have over 300 right now.
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