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Old 08-13-2020, 11:25 PM
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i like your analysis. its a fun tom clancy take on things,
Thanks, I thought Red Storm Rising was just awesome although I didn't care for his other works. I was a big fan of the Soviet bum-rush but I found books like the one by Hackett to be dry. I like a little fiction in my jursidiction.

I wish you the best of luck in your goals though because I admire the struggle up to a point. I want to remind you that the systems your're trying to abolish are organic. I'm not passing value judgement on them, just saying that organic things are very hard to fight. Because they form naturally.

Like look, the thing about workers and the police. Let's take a person, we can call him a worker because they are self-fulfilled mostly by being productive and being occupied and useful. That person doesn't want to be armed for several reasons. First is that the vast majority of people they don't like the anxiety of thinking they might have to shoot someone and there would be blood and people screaming. And two is that as someone who wants to be productive, a worker, they know that they can spend a lot of time providing security or standing up for their rights with their guns, or they can spend less time making some product, selling that product, and then pooling their money with other workers to...hire security people. Who carry guns.

In a primitive society, every male outside the infirm carries a spear. So there we go. But organically, all primitive societies become complex, and then some cop is hassling you. You can't abolish the police because you can't abolish crime and you can't abolish the ability and desire of people to cooperate in groups and assign specialized tasks among themselves. You can make the police better or worse but that's the range. If you abolish the police I will hire someone to be the police and then we will have police again. And I will be more powerful because you guys are going to be part-time policemen and my guys well...they're just going to be cracking skulls and there goes your society.

Same thing with wealth and state. Your wealth means nothing if there isn't an administrative body that allows you to compare your wealth and trade it. I mean yeah, you can trade one pelican for three rocks, but for any transactions more complex you need standards so you can build trust. You can't build a hydroelectric plant in a barter economy. So as a worker you're outsourcing stability, security, and regulation. If you had to do all that it would take you all day. But this way it's paid off by April.

Other things are more possible. I mean I'm all against "seeking funding" from aristocrats, by which I mean stopping the destructive power of private equity firms who like my past girlfriends only destroy wealth and never add anything of value. I worked for an outfit that was acquired by Henry Kravis' for a bit, I've seen the damage they do firsthand the fucking vultures. I'm all for people developing systems where they don't have to suck dick for money they are being scammed into thinking they need.

I don't have an opinion on the Palestinians.

Thank god.