[Arteker]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Are you actually trying to argue that playing a Rogue in EverQuest which involves standing there and pressing backstab every 10 seconds takes more skill than a Rogue in EverQuest? On P99 people on my friends list damn near lose their mind when I tell them what my key binds are -- they can't even fathom having a keybind set to Q or X, or C (N is my consider button). It just blows their mind -- I frequently tell people if they played WoW it would make them a much better EQ player. As a Cleric I vividly remember my Enchanter having his mind completely blown at how I'm able to target mobs and root them faster than he can mez them -- this same Enchanter is considered "good" by P99 standards. Reality is, this game runs about 10x slower than WoW and requires about 90% less keyboard input. Clicking on a mob and pressing root is only mechanically challenging for the P99 community because 90% of them are boomers who have never played modern games.

2) I play Classic and Retail -- most people who are serious about WoW do.

3) In EverQuest there's usually 1 person doing most of the work for an entire group. Are you telling me that the Cleric, Warrior and Magician who are sitting at Kobold Royals, waiting on their monk to pull mobs to them is having to read the situation? Are they displaying amazing situational awareness, and mechanics? No. I think it's funny because I see this frequently pointed out in this thread where there's "more skill involved" because pulling can be dangerous, and it's like, so you have a raid with 40 people in it, and 2 people pulling, and this somehow translates into the other 38 players displaying incredible skill at pulling by sitting there tabbed out on youtube waiting for their free loot?

4) No one said it's hard to get 470 ILVL, the reality is, it takes months. This is THE main reason that no one plays an alt in BFA and new or returning players get frustrated and quit the game. It would take them literally months of grinding to to catch up. There is no getting around this. In EverQuest you can buy some CB belts and Goblin ears, twink a character with BIS eveything and be level 50 with full planar in well under a month. A month in WoW might get you Nazjatar reputation. My own excerpts talking about this months before I even knew P99 existed.

Not to mention the fact that you have to actively play WoW to keep your raid spot. The context of the conversation we're having is essentially if someone just bought WoW today, how long would it take them to reach end-game? Literally months. But BFA has been out for 3 years, and new content was released frequently the entire time. To hold your spot in a raid team, that means those players had to actively raid the entire time, weekly, rather than sitting AFK in EC Tunnel or logging off completely until the next patch drops (which is what most people on P99 do once they get their planar). That might work in EQ, but in WoW, you'll be quickly replaced and forgotten about.

5) You make no sense. In some points of your post you reference Classic, and in others you do not. Did people in classic just turn on their flying mounts that don't exist and fly away? No? Was flying allowed in any of the PVP zones like Isle of Thunder? No? Have the last 3 expacs been released with no flying? Yes? Do you even play this game? The fact that you're actually delusional enough to compare EQ PVP to WoW is just... like I don't even think the biggest EQ fan boys would describe it's PVP as good.

6) You just contradicted yourself again. The rest of these boomers don't play WoW so they have no idea, but we both know you just listed two items that takes months of grinding to get (and some people never get them because they have bad luck). These are also two items that require the stars to align perfectly to actually be useful, and even then, I've literally never gotten one shotted by any of them. I main a fucking Rogue and when I duel other Rogues I don't even stealth, I let them open on me, and then after they blow all of their cool downs I turn around and destroy them. I never dip below 40% HP even eating everything they can throw at me.

7) This sounds similar to watching a Blood DK duel a Holy Paladin in WoW. This is not a display of skill or high level gameplay, and is the main reason that they were forced to add time limits to arenas.

8) So you think that sitting along a wall in PoF and PoH while people deliver free loot to you requires more skill than WoW raiding? I actually started laughing as I typed this because I started having flashbacks from my first time "raiding" on P99. A far cry from the terror it was 20 years ago.

1:Rogue in Eq is way more than just press stab stab, , if u knew what pulling is u would be suprised about rogue St pulling works.but Ey if u allready dont know its your own stupidity showing off. congrats to waste ur mana instead lettin ur enchanter do his job.

2: i dont , Classic is shit gimped with alot of exploits and cheese up first months with customized easy mode .

3: i do expect the others to keep a eye on nearby respawns and keep the room clear while i do bring mobs. these 2 pullers in any raid take more skill than and patience than anything i have seen in mmos outside WAR warpforged farm.

4: it takes 2 weeks to get to 470 i lvl . conquest gear peaks at 460 , u can get up to 3 items per day just wastin2 hours while filling ur neck to lvl 90 then jumpin to Heroic nya .
u have iron balls to say such bullshit, HELOO Heirlooms, u can make nazjatar rep in less than 2 weeks , hi pet battles , maldivas , nameds . contracts,

Are you comparing bfa grindin with vanilla eq? do it proper and do it with mother fucking Gates of discord and then compare how easy fuck is mythic nya with Uqua
yeah the diference btw raids from wow and eq is u are on ur safety land where nobody can hump ur instance, try it out on a non instance scenario

5: Halaa hellfire peninsula, winter grasp,,,, say hi noob,u picked a exception to make ur point valid like a true spin doctor but yet u fail another time.people in classic avoided pvp servers for one reason and is they sucked hard in pvp .Pathfinder says HI , main people it was introduced rolfmao was to try to reintoruce dying open pvp wich was dying because,,,, FLYING MOUNTS lawl. u should really look for crying when they introduced nets to dismount people in flying mounts.

6: corruptions are on a 3 days rotation with 2 weeks worth of stockpiling echos to buy whatever u need , 8,3 says Hi retard . congratulations on having the most retarded arsenal of defensives on the game , feels gud ehhhh.

7: blood dk is the worst pvp spec on bfa yet still he can cram enough TD to one shot any hpal , say hi to my pal flarkness.

8:congratualtions 21 years later u made it , in other hand u can still wipe in both places trying to break in . wow meta stacking means u cannot even fail at the basics untill u happen to arrive to gluth and kt on vanilla.