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Originally Posted by Crede
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What does snare not being needed and troll regeneration not needed have anything to do with this entire debate? FSI isn't needed either. No racial is needed to solo any mob, for any class. Your bash scenarios literally mean nothing to help kill the mob, a troll just might have to click a spell gem an extra time or 2.
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I never claimed any racial was needed to kill these mobs, or any other mobs. You can read everything I have said. I am not sure why people keep claiming I am saying racials are required to be a Torpor Shaman. I have never said that, and I have said multiple times already in this thread a Torpor Shaman's race is irrelevant.
The debate has always been which racial is the best, irrespective of the fact that it doesn't really matter. Just because it doesn't really matter, doesn't mean people don't want to know which race is best. This is why people keep asking over and over and over across multiple forums! One race is factually the best, and I don't see why it is such a travesty to figure that out, even if you don't like the results.
I keep saying "Regeneration and Snare wasn't needed" because that is factually correct. I never needed snare to keep the mobs under control, and I was never at a point where Regeneration would have saved my life. You can do the math yourself to confirm this. My point is to show common scenarios Shamans encounter, and how useful a racial is in that scenario. In all the videos I posted, I WAS getting bashed. This means FSI was doing more for me than Regeneration and Snare. It is really that simple, and factually correct. I have video evidence.
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Originally Posted by Crede
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You say you're trying to help, but this thread was quiet for a few days, then you started stirring shit up again. As I already stated, you're just a biased ogre whose borderline trolling at this point pretending your math actually is convincing anybody other than yourself.
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If your definition of "stirring shit up" is having a civil discussion and posting evidence, we will need to agree to disagree on that one lol. I am not the one insulting people and posting memes when I am unable to counter someones point. Not saying you did that specifically, I don't think you did. But some people are
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I find it funny that I am the biased one, when I am the only one spending the time and effort to post videos showing how an actual Torpor Shaman works. So far, I have a lot more evidence to prove my point than yourself. It is pretty biased to assume you are right, AND you don't need any evidence to be right. Maybe you are the biased one?
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We get it, FSI is cool, my next char could likely be an ogre war/SK, but you're just giving us hypothetical scenarios against tried and true regeneration. 1, 2, 3, or 4 more torpors in an hour, whatever it is, it's helping you more than FSI is in the overall gameplay that encompasses a shaman.
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Why do people disagree with my math? Do you have a different way to interpret Multiplying 8 HP Regen x 10 Ticks per minute X however many minutes the Troll is not at 100% HP? That is how you do the math. There is no other way around it. Trolls get 4800 HP per hour standing at max per hour, assuming they are not at 100% HP the entire time. That is 3-4 Torpors per hour, meaning you save 2 minutes per hour. That is 2 minutes per hour soloing, 2 minutes per hour grouping, and 2 minues per hour raiding. It doesn't change when you do something different. 2 minutes on a Torpor Shaman just isn't anything useful due to how fast you regenerate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc . You can keep saying Regeneration helps a Torpor Shaman more, but you are factually incorrect, and the math proves it.
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I'd bet money that raids have wiped more to one last heal not going off then a shaman not having FSI. You might just kill the mob slightly faster with an ogre because of bash for solo play, but I already admitted that if I wanted to do nothing but solo, I'd be an ogre. So again, I'm not really sure who you're trying to convince here or what you're trying to prove.
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Showing the best case scenario for FSI is NOT the same thing as claiming "More raids have wiped due to racial x than to racial y". That could be proved if everyone in the raid had logs going the entire time, for every raid, but I doubt we will ever get that complete data set, or have someone who cares enough to parse it.
The only thing I can do is show you REAL encounters a Shaman experiences, and what the normal outcome is. Based on that, you can determine which racial is benefiting the Shaman more. The answer is FSI. In every video I posted, I am getting Bashed. Not once did I need Troll Regeneration to save me. Not once did I need Snare to save me. That doesn't mean it can never save me, but in a normal situation, FSI is more useful than Troll Regeneration or Snare. In the RARE case where Troll Regeneration or Snare saves you, I can easily argue FSI could have saved you too.
This is why FSI is better.
In the NORMAL situations, like the videos I have made, FSI is doing more for you than Troll Regeneration.
In the RARE situations, where a racial can save your life, that is the same argument you can make for any racial, whether it is FSI, Regen, or Snare Neck.
The thing that really puts the nail in the coffin for snare neck is every Shaman race can get snare clickies, so if Snare can save your life in RARE situations, just get some snare clickies and leave them in your bag for emergencies. I am sure you already have a WC cap and a Reaper ready for such a rare emergency.