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This is what I mean when I say mystique. Min/Max is factual, not personal preference. There is a Shaman race that has the best racial bonuses for the Shaman class mathematically and statistically. I have said multiple times in this thread if fashion quest is your preference, that is perfectly fine. No Shaman race will give you a huge advantage. But that isn't Min/Max, that is personal preference and fashion questing.
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My point here isnt that barbarian is the best, it is that play styles are different. Nothing mystical about that.
Why are you talking about fungis? My point wasnt that you could get lots of fungis as a casual, it was that anyone can get money. Killing guards, grouping in where ever and winning randoms, farming gems for armor, etc etc. You say that you know a lot about EQ, you should know that you can get money as a casual. You can also farm torpor with a couple of friends. I have done guardian wurms with 3 people, without torpor.
So torpor shammy isnt the same as raiding shammy. Now if we were talking about best race for a high end raiding shammy with lots of BiS and torpor I might agree that ogre is best. But I thought we were talking about torpor shammies, and there is a lot of different kinds of torpor shammies. Not everyone has maxed out resists, not everyone has a shit ton of hp (making the extra effective hp you have from regen count more) and not everyone has or can get snare spears.
There is a lot of snare quotes I could bring up, but I will just say this. I am stupified that we are discussing whether or not snare is any good. Groups can wipe because they have no snare. Snare is good. You say you know a lot about EQ, you should know that snare is good. Our clicky snare is really bad compared to the good ones, but a crappy snare is still good compared to no snare. I would say the burden of proof lays with the party with the opinion that differs from the majority. I think that the majority of EQ players would agree that snare is good. So I wont spend any more time trying to prove to you that snare is good. It just is. Prove me wrong. Speaking of proof brings me to my next point, one of my main points through this whole discussion.
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I have simply been providing EVIDENCE.
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I have shown the factual math, you can't escape it
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There are lots of similar quotes I could pull up from this thread. All wrong. You have video examples (IMO cherry picked) and calculations that slightly strengthen your arguments. That is not proof or evidence in itself. If I film myself killing something without healing myself, does that prove that healing isnt important? Of course not. It just prove that I can kill that specific mob without healing. An extreme and absurd example, but that is what you are doing. You have some videos where you dont need snare and you say that torpored shamans have no use of snare. Some vidoes where the troll regen (or the FSI for that matter) makes just about no difference and you say that troll regen doesnt make any real difference.
It is much easier to prove something happening (show a video of something happening) then prove that something wont happen. Or science would have disproven ghosts and religion long ago.
You talk about facts, math, evidence, reality and proof, but as a chemical engineer I can say that it takes a lot more then what you have presented to prove something according to those standards.