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Please show me some encounters with high level monsters that were considerably easier with Snare Neck than without.

First off, why does it have to be considerable? A lot of constant bonuses are also very nice. But ok, for instance if you want to farm the beetles in sebilis, there is a krup wanderer that can gate down to the guardian if its a caster. If you have to root it, you risk it gating and casting some very nasty DD while you root it. Not efficient and potencially very dangerous. Soloing in the crypt in seb, its nice with snare so that you only have to kill it down to 10% (keep it rooted till the snare actually stops the mob.) Dungeon crawling down in the hole there are a LOT of places snare is very practical. It wont always save your life, but its enough for me with a constant make your life easier.

I never said VP loot was easy.

I said anyone who actually becomes a Torpor Shaman has enough time and money to get a VP spear.

These are basically the same thing. Maybe easy is the wrong word to sum up what you are saying, but I still say that this is wrong. Torpor takes 100k to get. That is a bit more then 2 fungi tunics or a couple of weeks of lucky drops if you are casual. If you want to get it yourself, you only need up to one group. Cant compare that with top end raiding. We are talking about the best race for a lvl 60 torpor shammy, not a lvl 60 torpor shammy with all the drops they want from raids, no?

You cannot get FSI from ANY zone at ANY point in the game.

This is a good point. Not enough for me to feel that ogre would have been better for my play style, but I agree 100% with this point.

Where did I say FSI isn't a marginal bonus?

You know what, I read one of your previous posts wrong. You havent said that it isnt a marginal bonus. But you do keep saying that FSI can save your life and regen and snare is at best utility. They can all save your life.

Troll Regeneration would have saved 48 seconds of healing at the end of the fight. Period.

Lots of other places in this discussion do you say that FSI can save your life, while regen can only save you some time and snare isnt really needed. All three can save your life now and then.

I have shown real life examples, and the actual math. It is really that simple. I am trying to show reality. For some reason, people think there is some kind of mystique behind these racials/abilities.

Just because you use videos that shows regen not being great doesnt mean that it cant be great. In none of your videos does FSI help you that much either. And i dont have a problem with your math, I just have a problem with your interpretation of it. I dont think that there is some kind of mystique behind this, who in here has led you to conclude that?

I am not trying to be arrogant or know-it-all. I am just trying to show the facts, so other players can benefit.

I dont believe that you are trying to be arrogant, or that you as a person are. I get the opposite impression, that you are respectful to the ones that disagree with you. But I feel that your arguments are a bit arrogant, because you are saying that you know best for everyone. Even though (Im guessing) you have never tried to play a torpor shammy with snare a snare clicky. Have you played a troll shammy with torpor?

I havent played an ogre, but then I only agrue that some of us know best witch race is best for our play style. I am not saying that you would be better off playing a troll.

1. Croweded dangerous place? Check
2. Indoor zone? Check
3. Not surrounded by mobs half my level? Check
4. Getting constantly hit by a spell caster mob? Check

I forget to note that they also has to be runners:P Nice video, but not an example of why snare neck doesnt really help. Also, killing a mob that is fighting back the last 10% is a lot more work then killing one thats just standing there.

Troll Regeneration wouldn't have helped here either. The lowest I get in the video is 17%, or around 450 Health

True, it wouldnt have saved your life this time. But you would have had more then 450 left.

If I were to record fights I have had, I guess I could have made a lot of videos of me not being saved by FSI. That wouldnt have proven that FSI cant save me.

I would guess that some times you die with a small margin, and in all those cases being troll might have saved you. Maybe from AEs? If you die to AE's FSI doesnt help at all. Regen can save you. Anyone been below 5-10% from AE's and then survived? I have.

I agree that FSI is pretty cool and I wish I had it. But I love my regen and snare and I really feel that it gives me more consistent bonuses. though sometimes it is almost completely useless, but it doesnt have to save my life every encounter to be good.

I wasnt really planning on getting drawn into this discussion, but here I am[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It has at least led to me wanting to pick up my old shaman and play p99 again.

I think bardp1999 summed it up pretty nicely:

Best shaman is barbarian (eyepatch) with full rubicite armor and a glorious horned helm, or even possibly a polar bear helm. Ogres and Trolls cant even sniff Barbarians in fashion quest, and fashion quest is the ultimate end game of P99. Therefore barbarian is the master race in concern to the shaman question.

Min-maxing isnt the same for everyone. Barb is the best shammy race for min-maxing.