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Originally Posted by Sabin76
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This appears to be the information I was missing/forgetting.
Question: does having a google doc with people's names on it not count as "telling someone who's next" in terms of the afore mentioned "player agreement" and being able to sell your place in line? It seems to me that it might be, but Ioramin's comment about Green AC not having such an agreement makes that connection murky. Or is there actually no such list and whoever mentioned it earlier was mistaken?
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The explicit/specific/"
a GM once said it" rule is that the person with the camp (ie. the top of the list) must be honest about who they are giving the camp to next:
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Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:
1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt.
2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.
Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.
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There is no such explicit ruling for anyone else on the list, and in fact there are no explicit rules about lists at all except for that (that I know of) ... aside from the global "don't be a dick".
But that last one is important. There is for instance this explicit chunk of the Play Nice Policies:
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11. You may not defraud other players.
Fraud is defined as falsely representing one's intentions to make a gain at another's expense. Examples of this activity include, but are not limited to, using deception to deprive another player of items, slandering another player or impersonating them with the intention of causing harm to that player's reputation, or falsely representing one's identity in order to gain access to another player's account or account information.
Fraud in all transactions between players may result in disciplinary action when confirmed by a P99CSR.
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So when I say things are unclear, it's not because this place has no rules, but just that no GM has explicitly addressed a particular case. If someone pulls list shenanigans, would the staff consider that fraud? Maybe, maybe not, we have to wait until it happens to see.