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Old 04-23-2020, 10:01 AM
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Not gonna lie you had me in the first half.

88% of intubated patients die. You go in feeling bad and the doctor comes by and says we're going to put you on a ventilator. So you say goodbye to everyone at that point right?

Because you know you have double the chance of scoring a pair of fine rubicite vambraces than making it out of the hospital and remember when you camped the Archon for 12 hours and wound up with six lizardscale belts? Yeah, you gonna die.

Remember it was all about the ventilators. We need them Cuomo cried as he rended his clothes and writhed in the dirt before Jehotrump. But ventilators don't save people, they kill people. If you get a thousand ventilators you're killing 880 people.

Now, if you never gave them a ventilator, would the death rate be higher? 98%? Or lower? We do not know because ventilator is the default. Could we be giving them non-invasive treatments? We don't know because ventilator is the default. For those not familiar, a ventilator helps people breathe by taking over the pumping function from the lungs. So if you have bad pneumonia your lungs are shot to shit and it's actually hard to take the air in cause you're exhausted. So ventilator good, right? But when you have covid, you don't have pneumonia. You have lung damage which prevents you from uptaking the oxygen, but you can breathe on your own. Your lungs aren't tired or exhausted, you just don't have enough surface area inside to absorb the oxygen. But this is all brand new and we needed to settle on a treatment so everyone was like intubate them intubate them.

I read a doctor is claiming you should treat covid patients like high-altitude sickness victims. Oxygen mask with high-concentration oxygen and you lie on your side. That's standard if you fuck up in the Himalayas. Not intubation.

Did we wind up killing thousands and thousands of people by giving them the wrong default treatment? In an emergency you don't have a control group. The best minds of our generation decided this was the way to go. Was it the right way? Some countries didn't lock down. Did they escape the second wave by front-loading the damage or are they prolonging the crisis? Their best minds decided what they thought was best for their countries. Are they right who knows?

First they told us millions were going to die. Then they told us to stay home. It's obvious at this point their initial prediction did not play out in the time frame suggested. However, did this happen because we stayed home or because those guys were just completely wrong. If both factors, how did each contribute to the current status?

It's maddening because everyone is a fucking expert and everyone is very passionate about their view, and meanwhile no one really knows anything for sure. I mean look at this thread; a million (I wish) people offering every point of view of what happened and how to deal with it and the only thing we all agree on is that Earth is flat. I mean not flat completely, it's a like concave disk with a giant ice wall around but anyway my point is that it's just total chaos out there.

Watch what happens afterwards. Everyone will be claiming their particular advice was the best and those other guys were mass-murderers. They're all gonna have tons of proof and lots of pointing fingers.
Ventilators are a medical necessity when a person is in respiratory failure. It is correct to say that a lot of people die once they get to the point of needing ventilation, but barring intubation, your only option is BIPAP/CPAP, and that’s a hopeful solution because those options are less invasive and less effective (they are a step down from mechanical ventilation and generally aren’t indicated when you’re at the point of needing to be intubated, IE less invasive measures have already failed)