[Tuljin]

The min/max Charisma debate is very interesting. It's easy to get wisdom gear but Human has low starting wisdom and people are concerned about a low Mana pool. Considering how most people gear their clerics (entirely +Wis) it makes a lot of sense to dump all your points into Cha.

I've been banging this drum for a long time and I'll keep banging it and people will continue to poo-poo it ----------- ~wisdom isn't a great stat~

Here's another issue. You dump all your points into Charisma. Every single time you get a crit resist for the life of your toon you got hosed on your stat roll. Every single time.

Here's the other issue --- all these people who want Cha to "atone" and "calm" and "navigate dungeons naked for corpse runs" ---- first of all barely anybody who rolls a cleric does these things, and second of all the cleric that does all these things needs sooooome wisdom because they are wearing HP AC Resist gear and not +Wis gear.

Also, the cleric in HP AC Resist gear isn't dying as much as the +Wis cleric, therefore he won't be doing these "naked corpse runs" that are just a production of people's imagination and never actually happen.

I did 15 Wis 15 Cha and I kinda beat myself up about it for a bit but now Im happy with it. I wear one piece of +Wis gear so I am happy with that bit of Wis at roll cause I knew I wouldn't be getting it from gear. I do the most dangerous camps in the game very well duo and trio. I pull and take hits all day. I soloed most of my 40s just fine.

I've done a lot of calming and you know what? It's been great. Clerics have DA. There's WC cap. If you crit resist there are options. If you're with a shaman you get a cha buff. If you're with an Enc you won't be calming. Again, most clerics will not be doing all these crazy things on their own - they'll be sitting on their ass in a full group or sitting on their ass casting CH while a Shaman or Enc does the heavy lifting. They certainly won't be willing to take hits when they don't have over 2000 HP, damn near 800AC, and around 130 MR buffed with all that Wis gear they have on.

Here's another one....you get a Manastone. Why the hell do you have any Wis gear on at all anymore? What the hell do you need Wis for?

Really 25 CHA is a great choice at roll, considering most people's gearing. I did 15 and 15 because I knew what I would be doing with my toon. I won't be joining a ~~~~~rAiD~~~~~ guild and I won't be getting any +20 Wis dragon drops. I don't need them. I made it to 50 and have made plenty of plat and have had plenty of adventures just fine.

You're not missing out on Wis dude, Cha is a good choice.