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Also, FTE doesn't always work. You get bards kiting shit around until the raid prepares, and people throwing javs/shooting arrows at a mob while lacking numbers (it is sometimes hard to tell who REALLY "engaged" first with all the hullabaloo with preparing for a rush, etc.) and mobs charging a mess of people.

What if a raid of 15 is standing in the midst of a raid of 35 and half a second before a person in the raid of 35 shoots an arrow at a mob, a person in the raid of 15 shoots an arrow at the target? The raid of 35 assumes it's their mob, rushes and engages. GM is called, it is determined the person from the raid of 15 "engaged" first, and the loot is awarded to the raid of 15, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to kill the mob in the first place.