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Originally Posted by Grakken
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The intent was to give everyone a chance, and not let a group of neckbeards monopolize it till its gone.
The problem is before the list, this group you speak of would /random for the drop. Everyone getting a shot at it. Now there is an order. I don't feel like I am in a group of adventurers working toward a common goal. I feel like I am farming something for a stranger. If it were 5 minutes I would brush off this frustration and move on with life. But it is 12 hours per drop. I'm not willing to spend 12 hours on a stranger. That's a rational position. I also don't expect a stranger to spend 12 hours serving me.
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You've already made it pretty clear in other threads that your stance is anyone not you or in your guild is considered a stranger. Which is a bit ironic considering that someone being in a guild doesn't mean they'll help you if you ask for it, or that they aren't a total dick who doesn't care about you.
I guess the point is, if you act like everyone is a stranger, they always will be. If you instead invest a little time and effort being social, talking to people, and treating others as you would also like to be treated, you will not only create a network of 'non-strangers' (also known as friends), but you will be promoting a better community with your behavior. Which, from reading these forums, is something a good few people probably could use. I think any reasonable individual (yourself included) would not turn down help from a person. You phrase it as 12 hours serving you, but that way of thinking is the flaw from the get go. They're not serving you like some sort of slave. If everyone front and back of the line is pitching in, then it is a joint effort for everyone involved, and also everyone benefits. The list system just highlights a prevailing and underlying sense of selfishness that pervades players, which leads to people twisting and perverting the system to do only just the tiniest modicum of what is necessary, and little else.
Selfishness in and of itself is not an inherently bad thing. A reasonable amount of selfishness is healthy and expected from a preservation standpoint. But pure selfishness and self interest is an extreme that's bad; for example, the total unwillingness to spend a minimal amount of personal time and cost to greatly increased effect for someone else. I'll use your old example in another thread. Being unwilling to SoW a "total stranger" when you aren't busy, if they politely ask you for it. You call entitlement, but it literally costs you a negligible amount of effort to what amounts to a much greater output for them. On the other hand, you have people who are unwilling to do anything at all for themselves, and expect others to do all of the work and carry all of the load.
You realize that in both examples, they are two sides of the exact same coin? Entitlement stems from selfishness; the act of being concerned with only caring about yourself, and your own needs. You being unwilling to SoW someone at negligible cost when asked nicely, and the person AFK at #1 on the list have way more in common than you think.