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Originally Posted by kul69
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Charm needs to be nerfed. There is a ton of evidence now it isn't working as in classic. Even ignoring the evidence this thread is enough proof that people don't consider it classic and want it nerfed. Enchanters not included.
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Your evidence is indirect and conflicting. There's no parses, no data. It's just anecdotes from a bunch of different enchanters of unknown skill level, with unknown methods, in unknown situations making different, general claims about charm. For all you know, the comments you're seeing of chanters who didn't think charm should be used in groups were trying to charm yellow cons at 150 charisma with no malaise, no stuns loaded, sitting 3 feet from their pet, running lom because he likes to nuke stuff, and playing with a shitty 28.8 modem. Of course someone like that is going to have a bad time with charm, talk about how awful it is, and scare 5 group mates away from ever letting a chanter charm with them in the future.
Show me 1, just ONE enchanter who was charming a low blue con with tash, malaise, and -mr gear on their pet, who properly set up spell gems and positioning to handle charm breaks, who had 200+ charisma, and who still claimed charm was too dangerous to use for DPS in groups.
You won't be able to, because either 1) nobody was doing all of even half of that stuff back in the day and/or 2) the people who did it were few in number and not talking about it much.
Explain away the indirect evidence I pointed to in favor of charm being similar on live to how it is here, if you can. It's a more thorough, more detailed, more well-written source that chanters relied on enough that it still exists today that is written very much like modern guides written by p99 enchanters.