I think it is grossly over estimated the number of players who give two shits about having a guise or manastone. There should be plenty for your 3rd and 4th chars.
I'd take a manastone just to sell it down the road. They dont make the game more fun, and I wont sink too much time in attempting to acquire one.
I totally get those of you vocal min/maxers or artifact collectors. You feel rewarded seeking these items. Most of us play differently from you.
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