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Old 09-18-2019, 05:45 PM
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"Strongest" how? In pve? If by "strong" you mean charming a monster to kill two monsters or best case soloing drusella... thats not that impressive. And its not like this is done with fine grained controls. Often chanters are in a panic.

Also, not like chanter is bringing their power to a raid. They are glorified buff bots.

Torp shaman's solo cliff guardians and +4 dragons. I believe these creatures also summon. I would also argue that they are a bit stronger than the hardest mobs an ench can reliably solo (without panic). Also raid mobs can be torpored more reliably than an ench can find a pet in certain situations. On a raid chants are most likely not mezzing or CC'ing anyway.

Once torp lands, shammy is just chillin.

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Ahem. I beg your pardon...but you're wrong about enchanters being nothing but buff bots. Additionally, I'd argue everything you said about enchanters being in "panic" is rather bullshit. If you get the named mob dead...who cares if it was hectic?

Enchanters can solo cliff golems. There may be a select few mobs that a torp shaman can do reliably and an enchanter cannot, but then there is the rest of the world for the enc to access freely.

If you competed for the big raid targets you'd have acknowledged the following:

- AoE Tash bombs on ToV boss + multiple guard engages to set up slowers. Its a thankless, kamikaze META out there in nToV.

- Tash + chanter slow before the shaman can land theirs can save lots of cleric mana. Obviously important on bosses, but also consider when killing trash / flurries while racing (leapfrogging) for FTEs.

- Goaltending / raid-saving mem blurs (mostly in ToV, but applicable elsewhere too in worst case scenarios).

- Charm pet dps (all of Fear, Kael, Dain....and sometimes ToV hatchlings for the bold / brave / stupid)

- Trading the important classes your raid clickies (mallets, root nets, etc) when they run out of charges.

- /ooc commentary (I prefer nostalgic / iconic song lyrics) while medding because you have nothing in your buff bot queue.


...did I just get trolled into posting this? Nothing against my shaman broskis, but this dude and his shitty post needed a refute.
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