[bthomsen0312]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that’s it in a nut shell.

There was no intent to log in and pull with a tracker. The early FTE resulted in immediate and unexpected death and didn’t impair any other guild attempt. Yes it was a technical violation of the rules but there was no ill intent. A technical violation but one that did not violate the “spirit” of the rule and the spirit of fair play. Furthermore the guild at large was unaware. Did this scenario warrant punishment? Depends how you look at it but I will readily admit it deserved some sort of action. What bothers me the most is that this was handled initially with voluntary concession of 2 spawns and an apology for an error we made without knowing initially it was made. This was handled on the player/guild/alliance level and was agreed upon and accepted. One sub-member of the alliance later tried to directly extort our guild.

Taking everything into consideration:

-false FTE by someone camped out in the zone resulted in both unintentional aggro and immediate unintentional death
-this someone was not a dedicated tracker for this mob
-it happened within a moment of a quake, dude was trying to mobilize to a raid not pull
-mob happily ate his face then proceeded to stroll around the zone for nearly 90 seconds before a real FTE pull.
-no other guild was ready in force by the time real FTE occurred
-mob deaded, guild still unaware of foul.
-when I grievances were voiced and the situation was clarified we voluntarily offered apologies and voluntarily offered concession to our ally alliance.
-Aegis as a whole seemed to understand and be satisfied on this player made agreement
-ALS tries to do the whole extortion thing, doesn’t end well
-GM rules player agreement reached initially isn’t sufficient and deleted loot

If our lone Druid has been afk or otherwise offline, we’d have still gotten the kill. Nobody else had force present. If they had ... well they had close to a 90 second window to engage. They weren’t ready.

It’s a narrow reading of a very specific rule. That rule was broken, but unintentionally so and in a way that didn’t interfere with the efforts of any raid. The ruling was fair. My only complaint would be with how the initial agreement was tossed out the window because a small fraction of said alliance got grumpy.

I will say this though, I’m proud as fuck of our leadership in not caving to the extortion attempts of ALS. If we’d known of the foul we wouldn’t have engaged. Once we were aware we attempted to make it right consistent with established server behavior protocol which was accepted by the other alliance of guilds. When later threatened with a petition, they didn’t back down.

Pixels will come and go. I’m glad leadership demonstrated they have a spine.

You can't bend the rules "because he didn't know". This opens a huge can of worms that can never be unopened