Empire attacked us pretty often in HoT. Had to put Fandango face down in some drake drudge a few times, but eventually colgate would train us on some throw away 50s character only eating one suspesion on his monk after a month two of doing it. Also we definently lost VP, sometime before or after we took a few shawls of protection. None of that effected our numbers though, except for 10 or so non factor warmbodies that would only log in if we were "winning" something consistently.
Some of us quit when Empire quit, and some of us (tune, grixus) went on to raid uncontested for years to come. Servers dead because its the 3rd or 4th year of velious. Deal with it
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