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No, but neither does p99?
Neither of them are anything like Dark Souls, or anything like as hard as Dark Souls.
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I stated that Classic EQ wasn't on par with Dark Souls and only alluded to it being in the same ballpark; Live has been tailgating in the parking lot. Bad metaphor?
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What a ridiculous, belittling, elitist thing to say.
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Followed by the disclaimer that "I'm not comparing the two games." Personally, I like pompous and silver spoons better than elitist, but at least you incorporated some alliteration.
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You are horrifically bad at making points and making a sound argument.
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I wasn't going for a sound argument. I was going for laughably absurd, taking your literal interpretation to the extreme to add some perspective.
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I'm being "argumentative" only in the sense that there are things being said that are demonstrably wrong, and I have the information to counter those comments with facts.
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Reacting emotionally versus responding thoughtfully / arguing versus debating.
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You guys are elitist as fucking shit.
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See, this would be an example of reacting emotionally.
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It's great you named three things that don't actually exist on p99.
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Night blindness exists and the hybrid xp penalty existed for the longest time and (likely) will reemerge on the Green server.
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then don't use a boy? This isn't a point, either.
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Bows not being viable is a point, and a valid one at that. You, the player, are all but restricted to one form of damage output--melee--and the alternative places you at a marked disadvantage. Really, I should have just said that the entire Ranger class was the embodiment of adversity. This leads into a finer talking point, which is that classes aren't balanced here.
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Limited? There isn't an infinite number of spell slots on Live, either.
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Did I say Live had an infinite number? No. Live has more slots and more spells to choose from and players can expect even more in the future, just as players expected back in classic waiting for the first and second expansion.
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It would definitely surprise you to learn this, but actually being good at your class on Live involves key binding and manual use of your abilities.
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It wouldn't...I knew that from speaking with players who went to Fippy and Phinny, and others who still play on Live. Again, players
can make the effort to be exceptional but they don't
have to because less demanding alternatives exist.
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This...isn't adversity?
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Separate banks create adversity to the extent that players often resort to ground transfers, waiting for guild members to help, or trusting complete strangers not to make off with their pixels. Those risks lead to more memorable experiences and these forums have numerous threads describing those experiences in great detail in case anyone somehow forgets them.
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I'm offended by awful arguments and justifications.
I'm going to keep repeating this, because all the elitists are popping out of the woodwork and flying off the handle, but fundamentally having an "opinion" about something isn't something I or anyone else can take away from them.
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You love the other version. Hey, good for you. Whatever floats your boat. But that can skew your perception of it. Parents are often the same way about their kids, who in their minds can do no wrong (hence the dad/daughter Barbie game metaphor).
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Ok, so, wait. Basically, you should know exactly what it's like to have someone belittle and dismiss the style and type of game you like to play, because people do that to you about p99.
But then...you turn around and do exactly that about Live, and you don't see the lesson here?
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Except I wasn't belittling or being dismissive of Live; I made comparisons which you assumed were disparaging. Morrowind is harder to get a handle on than Skyrim. Fact. Morrowind offers more creative freedom for players. Fact. Morrowind came before Skyrim. Another fact. In those ways Classic EQ is more like Morrowind and Live is more like Skyrim. Opinion?
Also, the lesson here is to remain largely unaffected by what others say and to instead consider their point of view as one would when roleplaying a character. It's even easier to do online with the relative anonymity and the delay between each post.
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You are genuinely awful at metaphor.
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You're one to judge. I fail to see the connection between the two. The metaphor only works when comparing EQ and WoW to DC and Marvel.
The three examples I used implied that while Live is still more popular, it is also more accommodating and, as a result, less rage-inducing than Classic. Yes, the playerbase on Project1999 has discovered ways of making their own accommodations, but the staff has also taken a fair number of those accommodations away, with less-than-classic fixes which have induced similar levels of rage on these forums.