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Originally Posted by Castigate
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While I agree that in general I've always liked Franswa's posts and seen him as a reasonable person on the forums, and he's probably right on some of his points and the average AM member didn't really know about it, he just admitted to his willingness to steal 9 hours of work from any guild, and on top of that use it as a negotiation tactic, to effectively hold a gun to his opponents head and force his way.
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I don't personally feel good about either side of this argument, but if we're going to get anywhere we have to all be honest with ourselves about our roles in the matter.
AM saying that they no longer agree to the rules they drafted and signed onto and then just going into PoG to clear Tunare without a new one in place is not exactly something that puts them on the moral high ground here. The other guilds coming into PoG to contest Tunare was to show AM what an agreement-free PoG would look like. Why should they just let AM have a
contested mob when AM *chose* to withdraw from the agreement?
Would it have been lame to snipe a Tunare? Yeah, which is why we have the agreement that AM backed out of. That they chose to then go clear PoG *before* a new agreement was in place is what started the whole showdown in the first place. To then say that the other guilds were holding a gun to AM's head in the negotiating process is disingenuous to say the least.
Many guilds put time and effort into clearing PoF in order to kill CT, who then gets sniped by another guild because he is a contested mob. With AM dissolving the agreement meant to allow guilds that put the time into clearing PoG a priority chance at Tunare, they essentially turned Tunare into exactly that: a contested mob. Then they said don't bother us while we're killing this contested mob without an agreement in place; we'll figure out a new agreement later.
AM has a long history of saying "let's play on for now and figure it out later," which I think a lot of other guilds are frustrated with.
Nobody acted perfectly here, but I don't think you're discussing it in good faith if you pain Franswa as the villain of the piece; you can't "steal" something if the agreement put in place to secure ownership rights is torpedoed. That mob becomes contested just like any other.