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Originally Posted by rezzie
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- The agreement was proposed to try it out for two weeks to see how it worked.
- Guilds tried it out; Aftermath had concerns about how it was being used.
- No agreement could be reached on revised terms.
- Core/BG/AG attempted a snipe of Tunare after Aftermath spent 6 hours clearing the zone.
- AG makes an RnF to remind everyone who the real bad guys are.
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I like reading how you guys see this situation. It's definitely interesting. I thought i'd respond point by point to make this easier to read.
- You're right, the rotation was in it's infancy. We were foolish to not put an end date on it, or a punishment for those that choose to break it without warning for opportunistic reasons. I'm a bit naive sometimes and I hoped it wouldn't become a race to the bottom.
- Aftermath's concerns were that they felt they could get more Tunare's than other guilds because of their numbers.
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DetoxxYesterday at 8:41 PM
We have 0 problem starting clears at 9pm and then killing tunare at 4am when you all cant. This is not in your best interest I assure you
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It was also suggested (and denied by AM) that they were also frustrated that they were losing the FTE races.
- I'm sure not everyone is aware of what was going on in our conversations, but you're right that we couldn't come to an agreement. I would describe AM's negotiation style as "take it or leave it". I can't speak for other guild leaders, but what Core wants is the opportunity to raid PoGrowth at a reasonable hour. While we have been successful in PoGrowth lately (thanks in large part to AG), we also don't want to block smaller guilds from experiencing the zone. The solution could be either competitive (most likely FTE races again) or a rotation. What we don't want is for there to be a mechanism that favors zerg guilds.
- AM's clear took 9 hours by my count. I keep seeing AM give lower numbers than reality, which seems strange considering the argument here hinges on time invested. You're right though, Core would have engaged Tunare had AM chosen to not agree to the temporary rotation while we come up with a real one.
- There's a RnF post made by Dannyl (an AM officer) titled "AG leadership giving up on all rules in ToV". Most threads like this one and the RnF threads don't really serve a purpose other than to let people vent frustrations. We're all guilty of it (including me right now). The alternative is a RnF ban, and that's just not as fun.
Thanks for posting. I don't think really anyone was happy with yesterday's situation. I hope that we can find a decent solution to this problem.