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Originally Posted by rezzie
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The Aftermath DKP page is open for all to view. Here it is, sorted by: adjustment (tracking) DKP. Looks like your claim that the vast majority of our members don't put in time or effort is sadly not backed up by reality, as the vast majority of our members do all contribute a reasonable amount of tracking. |
Sitting on a tracking toon that, you did not help place, did not help level, 95 % chance you dont even know the person who made the toon. Even if all 250+ active members helped Track for the ... 160 raids this month. This is still 1 % of the effort any new guild would have to put in to even just attempt to start LEARNING the pulls. How many of these vast majority of effort exerting raiders had ANYTHING AT ALL, to do with the years of infrastructure and guild developing required to now kill stuff in ToV? You are all just riding on the coat tails of years of others work and claiming that you are now putting in effort. It is insane.
Please for love of Tunare stop saying you are competing. There is no competition using someone else system and effort to pull in and kill Dragons with 4-5-6 times the necessary force, or other guild force. It is not competing when you can just stop half way through re pop night and let everything stay up until the next morning knowin that literally it will still be there the next day when u decide to get up at 10 am and slowly form up and then kill them.
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There is nothing stopping Anonymous, or Omni, or Dawn Believers, or any other guild on the server from competing in ToV or the other top tier targets. No guild has an uncatchable advantage. The mage spots are well known, the pull techniques are well known, and there is ample opportunity to practice pulls with flurries or park mages during mini-crawls.
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This is even more pathetic and laughable then the last statement. I assume that 95 % of you Aftermath people were in one of these Anon/Omni/DB guilds that had "nothing stopping them" Did you stick it out and devote "time and effort" into helping that guild get to "compete"? Or did you just, stay in that guild until you could loot all available things, and then stop "effort and competition" to just join the shit fuck Zerg for easy mode vs effort? Guilds shouldn't have to "practice" doing things the way the Zerg fuck force does it who has 4 years of OTHER PEOPLES effort cheeze the shit out of said mobs now. Especially when half the people practicing are just going to join the easy team soon as they feel like not doing shit instead of building a new guild.
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Azure Guard never used to compete in ToV. Around the time of Tempest's demise, they decided they wanted to compete. Surprise surprise, they're putting in the time and now they're being rewarded with mobs they are winning competitively against seasoned Core and Aftermath pull teams.
The only thing stopping you doing the same is that you want the rules changed to suit your personal play style more.
Ask the Azure Guard guys if the Vulak loot they earned would have felt the same if they'd killed it on their rotated week, vs sniping it from the hands of both Aftermath and Core.
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Grats AG and PS for after YEARS of having the force, desire, people, guild inter relationship to be able to Clear all of ToV easily, to now here recently finally getting your foot in the door. Like seriously awesome for them. Tho this isnt helping your point of view AT ALL. Sadly just as they are getting there, AM is turning into a Record Zerg with now the majority of there old Competition in there guild. Sadly the current Meta of AM zerging shit with a force equal to all the competitors combined + years of others infrastructure + no effort access to end game loot with little competition , just means the reality of the time/effort/insanity spent to just now "compete" is a HUGE sign of how fucked up it is for any none re rolled for the 6th tie guild to truly get a chance at experiencing everything the game has to offer.
So just Join AM then man ! Come kill dragons in less time then it takes to /who guild and read each persons name! Come compete VS no one 80% of the time besides your fellow guild mates on Dragon Points! Lets all brag about effort and reward even though we did nothing at all to get this guild here besides replace 1 old person with 3 new people from other guilds! We can all denounce the old guild we came from for not trying, as we our selves stop tying for them and take easy street! Be sure to get all the stuff that requires actual interactions and relationships first before you leave tho! Cause over here its just about the Points!