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For something that isn't a set rule
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It IS a set rule: that's the entire thing you and everyone else has been working for this entire time! Or to be more accurate, the rule is that you can't break player agreements, and what we've worked so incredibly hard for up to this point was to establish a player agreement
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I don't think its fair to tell people they have to play one way or the other when things haven't been set in stone. I think some balance can be found.
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You've done a complete 180 here, and I feel like you're trying to backstab the entire Shady community with this. Before you were actively organizing everyone to set things in stone, and now after several days of 20+ players all agreeing to the same player agreement, you want to pretend there's no agreement?
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We've altered the agreement based on feedback so far.
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Not really. The only thing that changed was the number of seconds after the spawn before people rolled. Otherwise it is the exact same agreement as Scout, and has been since the beginning; only the number of seconds changed, and that had to change because Shady has variance and Scout doesn't.
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I don't see why the agreement we've set forth cannot continue to be massaged to a point where more people are happy with it. There's room for everyone under this agreement with the current shady situation.
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No, there is not. You
cannot make all the people happy all the time. It's almost like some incredibly famous president said as much.
The anti-social low lifes will NEVER be happy. If you somehow setup certain "click days", they will not be happy with them: they will want to click every day. And I guarantee that if you really push that angle the best you will do is destroy the entire agreement and create a constant clickfest for everyone. THAT is why I am fighting you so incredibly hard on this. A day or two of clicks won't ruin my world, but if you destroy this agreement we are all fucked, and it will be a million times harder to establish a new one.
At best it will take months (and during those months Shady will be a pure clickfest). At worst we'll never again get Shady to be a roll.
Here's what I don't understand: after literally being the person who worked the hardest, and saw
exactly how impossible it was to get twenty P99ers in-game (plus however many forum goers who just like to weigh in with opinions even though they aren't rolling) to agree on ANYTHING ... how can you possibly delude yourself into thinking that you could even change the roll from /random 1000 to /random 2000, let alone turn roll days into click days, and still get 100% consensus from all twenty people (not the same people every day ... and plus the forum also)? I mean, even if you hadn't seen anything else, just watching Siryado and seeing how hard it was to get one person to agree to what 19 others already agreed to, every day for these past few days, should have taught you something.
Did you not notice what a massive failure it was when someone tried to set a fixed time for the roll, even though everyone would likely agree that's an easier and sane way to do things? If the better (but more complex) agreement failed, what chance does an inferior (but also more complex) agreement that gives in to the cheaters a certain number of days a week have? Anyone who is familiar with Scout will be against it, because Scout has gone on for far longer without any issue, despite never having "click days".
The current player agreement is awesome: it is almost exactly like the very successful simple/existing Scout agreement, but adjusted for Shady, and we the P99 community made it happen far faster. It's almost like we learned a lesson, or some of us did at least, from the Scout experience.
Everyone follows to the current agreement (not 2/3rd, everyone). Everyone has agreed to it for several days now. It was nearly impossible to get set, and as a result it will be even more impossible to change it. If you, or anyone else, tries to change it you will fail, at best, and at worst you will destroy the entire agreement. But you will never, I repeat, never, make everyone happy.