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Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of what Cylock quoted and imo gave validity to was that many players rarely if at all come to the forums and "Cant really hold them to "but everyone here agreed" if the agreement was made before they logged in, and they weren't part of the conversation." He took Diamondfist's entire post and his first words were "You're correct".

Right, so let's look at that Diamondfist post shall we? I'll separate every possible statement Cylock could have been referring to when he said "You're correct" ... but of course he never clarified which one (or more) of those statements he was actually agreeing with:

Originally Posted by diamondfist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bearer of entry is lowered when the timer is exact on mobs like this and scout.

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its lowered even more when it becomes a roll.

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

having 20-80 people show up on timed intervals to roll dice at a chance of loot doesnt feel classic at all.

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I mentioned in another thread staff could get creative with ways of not only breaking this up, but also punishing those who are breaking the rules by using autofire as a means to secure their turn ins. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=132)

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other option is to really really fuck with variance and or spawn location (this isnt classic, but we do have unclassic things here already)

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this 24 hour mob had a variance more like 12 hours - 36? 48? hours you would set the bearer of entry back to what it was on live after the initial rush of neckbeards power gaming their way through the shitty windows.

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(this would most likely take a few months)

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

after that you may actually find people logging in to randomly find it up like live...

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You would actually have to ask around to find the timers for last spawn and do work...

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

instead of just showing up at an exact x time, or x time +/- a few hours

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is a simple repetitive action. Scout rolls which have been established for a long time show how this plays out exactly.

In other words, the entirety of your argument that Cylock supports clickfests boils down to you assuming that he was agreeing with this one piece out of eleven from that post:

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

having 20-80 people show up on timed intervals to roll dice at a chance of loot doesnt feel classic at all.

And even if that one statement, out of the eleven, was really the one Cylock was agreeing to, that STILL doesn't say we should have clickfests because a couple of losers think they can win faster by cheating with autofire! Again, lost of things on P99 don't "feel" classic, and again rolls suck and definitely don't feel classic ... but they're still the least worst option, and anyone with a brain sees as much (we've had literally hundreds of Scout rolls involving tons of people, where everyone all saw eye to eye on that exact issue)

But given the context of Cylock's post, where he literally talks about getting Nilbog to add variance, it seems far, far more likely he was referring to this bit:

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other option is to really really fuck with variance and or spawn location (this isnt classic, but we do have unclassic things here already)

Look, it really feels like you've been talked into a position of trying to make everyone happy all of the time. That's noble, but it's also impossible. And cherry-picking just one point out of eleven and using it to argue that Cylock supports you doesn't make it any more possible.

Everyone, including you, has worked very hard to make this roll happen. Scout roll took months (years?), and we got everyone to agree on Shady by the third spawn ever on P99, and the agreement has not been broken once. That's awesome, that's incredible, that's worthy of celebration!

By trying to make everyone happy all the time you seriously risk destroying all that. You, of all people, should understand just how hard it is to get everyone to agree to anything. A straight roll within seconds of the spawn is literally the simplest option possible (besides clickfests). It's also the most obvious "least bad option" ... and it was still incredibly hard to make happen!

Any further changes risk ending our beautiful simple agreement. Plus, even if you could make them without breaking the current agreement, they're not worth making: scout doesn't have off days where people autofire their way into a Talisman of Benevolence, and Shady doesn't need them either.