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I preface this by stating that rules have been arbitrarily enforced on this server since it's inception, and they have been known to completely change on a whim's notice. I have seen Sirken quote rules that don't exist on this server, mistake Blue rules with Red rules, and claim that other rules posted / stickied / enforced prior are not valid. So everything I'm about to type is ultimately up to the discretion / opinion of whatever CSR reviews your action at that given time.

With all of that said, in theory, based upon the stickied rules and the historical application of rules on this box, the rules should be as follows in your scenarios:

1) Intentional EXP loss is not allowed. This includes rooting bards with mobs on them. Yes, that is kind of strange on a PvP server. The same goes to pelling mobs people are engaged on in theory.

2) This has been enforced 10000 different ways, but the ruling according to the boards is that any engagement of a raid force, be it direct PvP or pelling a slowed mob, is not allowed with less than 12 people.