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Originally Posted by planarity
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I guess this is as close as we'll come to an admission that you just literally make shit up and aren't afraid to lie about things that can easily be checked.
For the record, I think AW deserved a punishment for when we were careless and accidentally trained CSG. (30 days seems excessive, as many AM people pointed out, but whatever). I remember being surprised at how non-chalant about it AW was when it happened (this is what credibility looks like).
So what actually happened on this 2/25 vulak that warrants a 40-day suspension? As far as I tell can from my recollections and my logs, AM had already conceded it for something they (almost definitely accidentally) did on some other mob. We weren't very good--had a dirty pull and didn't handle it well. We wiped. Some AM people who were just poopsocking at the zonein died. One random non A/A person died (he asked for a rez and I rezzed him).
Being completely sincere here: What do I have wrong? what am I missing? If you let me know I am happy to corroborate it with my logs, even if it's damning of AW (again, credibility).
Obviously it will have to be someone other than Teako, since I'm curious about the actual chain of events as they happened in reality.
As a side note, let me extend the following olive branch for you Teako: If AM wipes to a mob and kills me while I am sitting at the tov zonein doing nothing (it has happened), and my bind point is literally right next to my corpse, I won't expect you to rez, buff, and heal me (I won't even ask once). And you don't even have to apologize. Pretty good, huh?? I feel like we're making progress already.
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Ill answer this for you for some perspective. That Vulak was one of 2 we conceded to you guys. The reason those were conceded was because we had pulled in Vulak and it was a botched engage and we would up killing 2? maybe 3 of your members at the zone in. We had a solid argument that one of your druids, cant remember the name, was pet tracking and when Vulak got close, he sent his pet onto it. This made it so when we tried to pull Vulak out of the zone in to prevent a train, our efforts were futile as no matter what we did, it was coming back for that druid who sent his pet on it.
This lead to the whole "no petition agreement" being blown up within the first 3 disputes. The difference is I did all I could to make sure that it was worked out and the didn't want to risk it going to the staff because it was something that could go either way.
Keep this following note in mind: This particular Vulak, you had a max of 24 people log on, 4 clerics and 1 tank. You, in fact, realizing you didn't have a force to kill it, abandoned it and went to kill Golems and Draco in fear.
Fast forward to this current situation. You guys brought in a Vulak, trained us (not just 3 people but out entire raid force was wiped out) and wiped yourselves. I asked Eratani what was going to come of this incident as it is clearly written and a known fact that if you train a guild, it is against the rules. Theres no if, ands or buts to it. it is also a known fact that when you pull to the zone this is a risk you take.
The keyt difference between these 2 events, which are nearly identical, is that I did what I could to make it right and when I talked to Eratani about how to make it right for training us I got "what mobs did you lose?", "you couldn't even compete on this one" (keep my note above in mind), and finally, as Sedyt has said he openly said something to the sort of we aren't doing anything about this and will let it go to the GMs.
I hadn't even asked for a Vulak or anything. Its entirely possible that if he had just said "hey man, listen, were really sorry for training you and we will res and get you back up." I wouldn't even have petitioned it but instead I was met with their cocky, arrogant, we can do whatever we want attitude and this very attitude is coming back to haunt them.
I know Awakened will BP this post as soon as they see it to come and say how much of a lie it is and how terrible of a person I am but this post is 100% pure, unaltered fact. Take it for what its worth.