Been playing on this server since 2010 with members in both guilds and the outcome of this dispute will likely be the single biggest ruling in GM history.
Do you intentionally destroy/disband a guild (which a 40 or 60 day ban would essentially do, aka death ban) for the accidental actions of a single member? Was it intentional? Was it malicious? Are we even 100% sure it impacted the pull? Are guilds supposed to drop mobs on accusation? Do we believe in innocence until proven guilty or guilty at accusation? Does trying to rectify actions with actions (concede 2, etc) deemed acceptable before, no longer mean anything or show a willingness to work things out?
Lot of questions will be answered with this next ruling.
I hate to be in either guild's situation. On one hand you have AM with a great/quick FTE and gets it sniped due to (**event**) and now the other gets it. Fraps, review, stories, truth/fiction - all these things take time to figure out.
If AM did get interfered with on their pull (not just a monk or two dying but legitimately it was the reason they dropped their primary FTE), I understand the accusation and the call for concede. But this is impossible to figure out in 100% fact on either side in the next 10 mins of what happens next. Sure, reviewing everything a day later and having access to all the fraps, tells, etc is one thing, but being in the moment is different. So many times there are threats or accusations that come up false. I think AW tried to rectify things by offering the loot when the situation looked at all questionable and tried to err on the side of caution. Disappointing that AM would refuse loot (and 2 further vulaks?) just to attempt to ruin another guild when they claim to want competition and are willing to discuss matters without getting GMs involved.
Really this situation is a lose/lose. AW is going to be spiteful now for obvious reasons. Likely they, and other guilds, will not discuss matters if something happens in the future now because of relations. CSG, AM, AW all now will face 30, 40, or death bans because of petitions and unwillingness to work things out with the current state of GM rulings. Unless there is favoritism or unequal rulings, guilds that make (innocent?) mistakes in the future can no longer rectify it unless you give in to whatever the other guild is demanding (plus more) and also a possible petition/ban.
Raid scene is a disaster with all the threats of petitioning now and what will come out of it. If everyone is on an equal playing field, it's just a matter of time before AM or CSG or any other guild messes up a pull to the zone and bites a guild-destroying ban. The precedent set by the length of the last suspension (for any guild, not just AW) imo was a poor decision, because with the toxic nature of this server, it doesn't serve as a deterrence, but as a method for aggressive potential removal of an opponent/competition.
I hope the GMs make a smart choice for the sake of the server because the implications will be very large.
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